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"To all the morons out there. "
Posted by Ismatullah on 25-Jun-02, 07:00 PM (GMT)
I would say "peace" to you all, but peace is not due. To all those outside of Iran: Why did you leave Iran? Was it because they closed down the whorehouses or the bars? Is this the freedom you wish to gain back from the mullahs? Or do you want another puppet installed who will do far worse than the ayatullahs ever did? You all represent the divorced wife. If you still love Iran, leave it be. It is far better off without any of you. The Islamic Regime is there to stay. No matter how much you bicker you'll be nothing more than a fly buzzing around uselessly. So, leave Iran to the true Iranians who support their country and each other. You all represent a generation of traitors and murderers whom we are glad to be rid of. Thank you
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RE: To all the morons out there. , tagarg, 25-Jun-02, (1) RE: To all the morons out there. , Ismatullah, 25-Jun-02, (3) RE: To all the morons out there. , tagarg, 25-Jun-02, (4) RE: To all the morons out there. , محمد, 19-Apr-04, (21) RE: To all the morons out there. , tagarg, 25-Jun-02, (2) RE: To all the morons out there. , ......., 02-Jun-04, (23) RE: To all the morons out there. , tagarg, 26-Jun-02, (5) RE: To all the morons out there. , Maghze Faraari, 26-Jun-02, (6) RE: To all the morons out there. , wasty, 26-Jun-02, (7) RE: To all the morons out there. , Ismatullah, 26-Jun-02, (8) RE: To all the morons out there. , tagarg, 26-Jun-02, (9) RE: To all the morons out there. , terrorist finder, 27-Jun-02, (10) RE: To all the morons out there. , Ismatullah, 27-Jun-02, (11) RE: To all the morons out there. , Terrorist finder, 27-Jun-02, (12) RE: To all the morons out there. , tagarg, 27-Jun-02, (14) RE: To all the morons out there. , tagrg, 27-Jun-02, (13) RE: To all the morons out there. , Dewd, 28-Jun-02, (15) RE: To all the morons out there. , tagarg, 29-Jun-02, (16) RE: To all the morons out there. , SmokingGun, 29-Dec-03, (17) RE: To all the morons out there. , Esfandiar SahebJamii, 06-Jan-04, (18) RE: To all the morons out there. , marg bar velayete fagih, 10-May-05, (74) RE: To all the morons out there. , MKO Vs. Iraqi Government, 11-May-05, (76) RE: To all the morons out there. , Cyrus the great, 06-Jan-04, (19) RE: To all the morons out there. , A FRIENDLY 'MORON' ;-)), 07-Aug-04, (39) RE: To all the morons out there. , Sohrob Tahmasebi, 09-Apr-04, (20) RE: To all the morons out there. , Irani, 29-May-04, (22) RE: To all the morons out there. , I Dont Know, 12-Jun-04, (24) RE: To all the morons out there. , Capitalist, 27-Jul-04, (25) RE: To all the morons out there. , Dr.Amir, 28-Jul-04, (26) RE: To all the morons out there. , Capitalist, 29-Jul-04, (27) RE: truly a sad time for the world, Dr.Amir, 29-Jul-04, (28) RE: truly a sad time for the world, FOSI , 30-Jul-04, (29) RE: truly a sad time for the world, Capitalist, 31-Jul-04, (30) RE: truly a sad time for the world, FOSI , 31-Jul-04, (31) RE: truly a sad time for the world, An American, 03-Aug-04, (33) RE: truly a sad time for the world, Dr.Amir, 02-Aug-04, (32) RE: truly a sad time for the world, Capitalist, 04-Aug-04, (35) RE: truly a sad time for the world, Dr.Amir, 04-Aug-04, (36) An idea to foster change?, Capitalist, 07-Aug-04, (37) RE: To all the morons out there. , Capitalist, 04-Aug-04, (34) RE: To all the morons out there. , A FRIENDLY 'MORON' ;-), 07-Aug-04, (38) RE: To all the morons out there. , FOSI , 08-Aug-04, (40) RE: To all the morons out there. , reza, 08-Oct-04, (41) RE: To all the morons out there. , Rostam, 12-Oct-04, (42) RE: To all the morons out there. , Dr.Amir, 26-Oct-04, (43) RE: To all the morons out there. , Irani, 27-Oct-04, (44) RE: To all the morons out there. , Irani, 27-Oct-04, (45) RE: To all the morons out there. , Rostam, 27-Oct-04, (46) Dont live in the past , Dr.Amir, 28-Oct-04, (47) RE: Dont live in the past , Irani, 28-Oct-04, (48) RE: Dont live in the past , Irani, 28-Oct-04, (49) RE: Dont live in the past , Dr.Amir, 29-Oct-04, (50) RE: Dont live in the past , Irani, 29-Oct-04, (51) RE: Dont live in the past , Dr.Amir, 01-Nov-04, (61) RE: Dont live in the past , Rostam, 29-Oct-04, (52) RE: Dont live in the past , FOSI , 30-Oct-04, (53) RE: Dont live in the past , FOSI , 30-Oct-04, (54) RE: Dont live in the past , Rostam, 31-Oct-04, (55) RE: Dont live in the past , FOSI , 31-Oct-04, (56) RE: Dont live in the past , FOSI , 31-Oct-04, (57) RE: Dont live in the past , Dr.Amir, 01-Nov-04, (60) RE: Dont live in the past , Dr.Amir, 01-Nov-04, (59) RE: Dont live in the past , Irani, 01-Nov-04, (63) RE: Dont live in the past , Dr.Amir, 01-Nov-04, (64) RE: Dont live in the past , Dr.Amir, 01-Nov-04, (58) RE: Dont live in the past , Dr.Amir, 01-Nov-04, (62) RE: Dont live in the past , Rostam, 01-Nov-04, (65) RE: Dont live in the past , Dr.Amir, 02-Nov-04, (66) RE: Dont live in the past , Irani, 02-Nov-04, (67) RE: Dont live in the past , Dr.Amir, 02-Nov-04, (68) RE: Dont live in the past , Irani, 02-Nov-04, (69) RE: Dont live in the past , Dr.Amir, 02-Nov-04, (70) RE: Dont live in the past , Rostam, 02-Nov-04, (71) RE: Dont live in the past , Irani, 03-Nov-04, (72) RE: Dont live in the past , Dr.Amir, 03-Nov-04, (73) RE: To all the morons out there. , NS, 28-Oct-05, (87) RE: To all the morons out there. , MKO Vs. 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1. "RE: To all the morons out there. "
Posted by tagarg on 25-Jun-02, 07:43 PM (GMT)
important the following message was posted by a contributor to www.iran-now.de: remember 18 TIR ( mid-juli ) it is the beginning of the end of the decadent regime of islamic republic it is the aniversary of the students movement which was brutalized by the agent of the tazi-parastan the basij and the rest BUT 18 TIR is also the aniversary where the former imperial IRANIAN AIR FORCE started their unfortunate mission of overthrowing the decadent and ANTI-IRANIAN regime of ISLAMIC REPUBLIK. hundreds of the bravast and patriots where slaughtered in the abattoir of the the islamic murderes and killers. my thoughts go to their wives, children and families: IRANINA HAVAN'T FORGOTT 18 TIR!!! read in farsi all about it and tell others http://www.tabarzadi.org/Tabarzadi3062002 zendehbad iranian payandeh bad iran.
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3. "RE: To all the morons out there. "
Posted by Ismatullah on 25-Jun-02, 09:27 PM (GMT)
yes. Yes. Yes. Some people got hurt. Boohoo. Like i said. Islam has set its roots in Iran and forever it will be led by an Ayatullah. Again, if you don't like the government, FORGET ABOUT WHERE YOUR FATHER WAS BORN. YOU STRIPPED YOURSELF OF THE IRANIAN IDENTITY WHEN PEOPLE LIKE YOU SCATTERED ABOUT IN THE WORLD WITH THEIR TAILS BETWEEN THEIR LEGS. Don't speak of iran. You are either American or European.
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4. "RE: To all the morons out there. "
Posted by tagarg on 25-Jun-02, 11:43 PM (GMT)
at last someone directly calling from QUOM! >YOU STRIPPED YOURSELF OF THE IRANIAN >IDENTITY WHEN PEOPLE LIKE YOU >SCATTERED ABOUT IN THE WORLD >WITH THEIR TAILS BETWEEN THEIR >LEGS. > >Don't speak of iran. You >are either American or European. > well, a simple questions you should answer before taking your mouth too full: with which language does your heart speak to your god 5 times a day? do you understand what you say to your god? why don't you pray in farsi to your god? no! no! don't answer me; i already know the answers! answer yourself and you will be surprised (if you are honest) who should FORGET ABOUT WHERE HIS FATHER WAS BORN and who has STRIPPED HIMSELF OF THE IRANIAN IDENTITY. questions you can answer me directly. do you slog your wife according to SURE 4 AYEH 34? do you think sharia and valaya-te faghih are good for iran? what happends to the 20% ZAKAHT you get by selling oil and other minerals? thank you
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21. "RE: To all the morons out there. "
Posted by محمد on 19-Apr-04, 06:57 PM (GMT)
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2. "RE: To all the morons out there. "
Posted by tagarg on 25-Jun-02, 08:07 PM (GMT)
nice to see you TAZI-PARASTAN creeping towards the holes you came out of 23 years ago. nice to see you sweat, wince and bend now that your days,ISMAT-TULEH, and the days of your TAZI-MASTERS are counted! ze shir-e shotor khordan o susmar arab ra be jayi residast kar ke taj-e kian ra konad arezu tofu bad bar charkh-e gardan, tofu ferdosi A FAIR BUT HARD TRIAL IS AWAITING YOUR TAZI-MASTERS FOR THE CRIMES THEY HAVE COMMITED AGAINST HUMANITY IN GENERAL AND IRANIANS IN PARTICULAR! SO START WORKING ON IT, ON YOUR DEFENCE STATEMENTS!
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23. "RE: To all the morons out there. "
Posted by ....... on 02-Jun-04, 04:25 PM (GMT)
Look at this guy! what wrong with you? yes, we fleed the country to gain our freedom back! so that we could shake-our-booty to real music. i for one will nott settle with this regime soon they will be stoned and whipped just like they do with the people!! check out www.amnesty.org for report about the IR:s crime against humanity.
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5. "RE: To all the morons out there. "
Posted by tagarg on 26-Jun-02, 00:50 AM (GMT)
... >Why did you leave Iran? well, see for yourself: >Was it because they closed >down the whorehouses or the >bars? well, not quite: >Is this the >freedom you wish to gain >back from the mullahs? YES and getting rid of "FERGHEH-YE AKHUND" >Or do you want another puppet >installed who will do far >worse than the ayatullahs ever >did? IMPOSSIBLE! > >You all represent the divorced wife. > If you still love >Iran, leave it be. >It is far better off >without any of you. NEVER! > >The Islamic Regime is there to >stay. so said MOLLAH OMAR and BIN-BILAH >No matter how >much you bicker you'll be >nothing more than a fly >buzzing around uselessly. YES! 40 MILL. BUZZING FLIES! >So, leave Iran to the true >Iranians who support their country >and each other. You >all represent >a generation of traitors and murderers >whom we are glad to >be rid of. well, just thought you would like to know this is the true face of a man who decapitated more than 700 of the BANI GHARIZE tribe just to get in possession of their wealth. this picture is published in the weekly newspaper of the PASDARAN, which is a copy of a painting in a musum in london. > >Thank you >
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6. "RE: To all the morons out there. "
Posted by Maghze Faraari on 26-Jun-02, 02:20 AM (GMT)
>I would say "peace" to you >all, but peace is not >due. > >To all those outside of Iran: > > >Why did you leave Iran? >Was it because they closed >down the whorehouses or the >bars? Is this the >freedom you wish to gain >back from the mullahs? > >Or do you want another puppet >installed who will do far >worse than the ayatullahs ever >did? > >You all represent the divorced wife. > If you still love >Iran, leave it be. >It is far better off >without any of you. > >The Islamic Regime is there to >stay. No matter how >much you bicker you'll be >nothing more than a fly >buzzing around uselessly. > >So, leave Iran to the true >Iranians who support their country >and each other. You >all represent >a generation of traitors and murderers >whom we are glad to >be rid of. > >Thank you > Recent statistics shows Iran ranking first among countries experiencing the brain-drain phenomenon, which has been one of the most burdensome problems of the society... from: http://news.ncmonline.com/news/view_article.html?article_id=581
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7. "RE: To all the morons out there. "
Posted by wasty on 26-Jun-02, 07:40 AM (GMT)
I come to Iran regulary, so I se it for myself. Islam is gone (thank god) thanks to the mullas. Iranians are getting back to their orgin...you dont like to bad go back to your masjid and eat, shit, and pray. Let me guess you are a seyed, right? so you forget about Iran and go back to the desert which you belong and BBQ some susmar..moron
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8. "RE: To all the morons out there. "
Posted by Ismatullah on 26-Jun-02, 04:58 PM (GMT)
Seyed? Thanks, but i'm not a Sayid. do us, Islam, and the Iranian nation a favor: DON'T COME BACK TO IRAN, EVER AGAIN! Your sole and soul are filthy.
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9. "RE: To all the morons out there. "
Posted by tagarg on 26-Jun-02, 05:42 PM (GMT)
no answers to my simple questions from QUOM? very convincing! ze shir-e shotor khordan o susmar arab ra be jayi residast kar ke taj-e kian ra konad arezu tofu bad bar charkh-e gardan, tofu ferdosi
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10. "RE: To all the morons out there. "
Posted by terrorist finder on 27-Jun-02, 04:06 PM (GMT)
Ismatullah, You sound like a person jealous of those could travel abroad and or have the option of living out side of Iran. Do you see anything wrong for Iranians living outside of Iran? One more question put to you: Why do you could officially buy the American Dollar 1$ to 3000 rials, and go to bazaar a taxi cab away and sell it in easily in the market $1 to 8000 rials, making a 180% profit , and on one day?. How long has this been going on and how many got rich stealing from Iran’s national treasury? Answer the above before attacking those Iranians living abroad.
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11. "RE: To all the morons out there. "
Posted by Ismatullah on 27-Jun-02, 05:36 PM (GMT)
Jealous? Of what? Jealous of you living outside your fathers country, while I am here? What am i missing exactly? As they say in America, "business is business". There is nothing you can do about someone who buys a product and sells it to make a profit. check out your stock markets!
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12. "RE: To all the morons out there. "
Posted by Terrorist finder on 27-Jun-02, 09:55 PM (GMT)
>As they say in America, "business >is business". There is >nothing you can do about >someone who buys a product >and sells it to make >a profit. check out >your stock markets! Another word-defrauding Iranian people are ok and anyone with inside connection can do it and nothing is wrong. Is this what you are saying? That, it is ok to buy the dollar from the government 60% less than the market? and this is not fraud? wasn’t this set up for those who had money and wanted to get out of Iran (as you call them traitors) and you said the hell with them, I will make money off of them and will buy their (Shah's time)money from them and make 180% profit. So what do you say Ismatullah, about anything I mentioned above? do you agree or disagree and on what part. I am very curious to find out where you are coming from!? Let me read your right first and warn you that anything you say will be used against you, and Your testimony here will be used as evidence, when the NEW IRAN prosecutes your case.
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14. "RE: To all the morons out there. "
Posted by tagarg on 27-Jun-02, 11:54 PM (GMT)
well, i think ismatuleh has come to the end of his vocabulary and rhetoric and need some more lectures! noticed how he deviates even from simplest questions put on him and starts the usual lyre. he must be from QUOM!
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13. "RE: To all the morons out there. "
Posted by tagrg on 27-Jun-02, 11:23 PM (GMT)
maybe. or, he is either living in a western country or he is a TAZI-PARAST directly from the holy hole "QUOM", who has just finished his lecture on rhetoric and would like to proof to his TAZI-MASTER KHATAMI - famous for his deceptive smile, his rhetorical lies and italian shows - how good he has become in lying and deceiving! like other criminals of this regime he is trying to play down the misary they have brought to IRANIANS. useless to mention again and again! at the present situation, i as an IRANIANS am not at all iterested in AMERICAN, ISRAELI and PALESTINIAN etc. issues! how could i be a traitors and at the same time admit that as long as the struggle of IRANIAN PEOPLE to overthrow the decadent regime of the islamic republic is in process and as long as the efforts of IRANIAN MOVEMENTS to restore a constitutional state are gaining momentum ... ... we are not at all interested in AMERICA, PALESTINA, ISRAEL etc. issues we will raise our voice - in civilised manner - against any injustice in the world when the time comes ie. after the decadent regime of islamic republic has been overthrown and a constitution state and a legitimate national government takes place and iran gains its international credibility and respect among the nations. in our protest against injustice AMERICA, ISRAEL, PALESTINA etc would have no previlage and are no exceptions. but in the mean time: remember 18 TIR and don't let these tazi-parastan fool you with their poor logic! he is what i, as an IRANIAN, call a TAZI-PARAST-E CHARLATAN! don't undeestimate his ability to lies and deceive. he knows damn well the truth about the islamic republic but lies and deceives to preserve his masters power and conserve his own potency. as an IRANIAN I AM INTERESTED not in AMERICA, PALESTINA, ISRAEL & Co! i am interested mainly in the faith of my fellow countrymen/women and my country IRAN but also in TAZI-PARASTAN like you and your TAZI-MASTERS and the holes which will host you until "we let the light in"! PARVARDEGAR POSHT-o-PANAHE IRANIAN VA IRAN BAD
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15. "RE: To all the morons out there. "
Posted by Dewd on 28-Jun-02, 10:46 PM (GMT)
With joblessness and corruption and mullahcracy Iran is now the world's biggest whorehouse! Prostitution among young girls in all major cities of Iran. Iran has one of the highest hard drug users. Drugs are everywhere. In Iran now, people can order alchohol and Taryak with one phone call! What the crap are you talking about! All because if "Akhoond parasts" like you! The mullahs are Imperialists dream come true! They destroyed Iran's economy, and society for good!
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16. "RE: To all the morons out there. "
Posted by tagarg on 29-Jun-02, 05:31 AM (GMT)
no! not for good! we are the IMMORTALS! !!!!! remember 18 TIR !!!!!
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17. "RE: To all the morons out there. "
Posted by SmokingGun on 29-Dec-03, 01:01 PM (GMT)
You might be right Ismatullah, I have met many Iranians, living in the USA or Canada... Majority of them are homosexuals, or drug users, they collect welfare and cant hold a job, 3 or 5 men living in 2 bedroom apartments, no women in sight no girlfriends, wives anything like that... We generally look upon them in a negative manner cause thier a drain on our system, perhaps thier spoiled little brats who have lost thier daddys income after he was proberly kicked out or whatever. They seem like little children, throwing a tantrum, because mommy took the candy away. As you can proberly see by thier post most have left Iran 10 yrs ago or more, yet they still cant compile an English sentence correctly, no wonder they cant understand Arabic. They proberly cant understand Farsi either. Besides like I said majority of them are homosexuals, drug users, rapists, child molesters. Infact majority of rapists caught in Canada were Iranian.
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18. "RE: To all the morons out there. "
Posted by Esfandiar SahebJamii on 06-Jan-04, 06:19 AM (GMT)
I am an Iranian living in America. all of those u said are slanderous remarks and far from truth. It appears here that u are an Iranian hater. I don’t think u are an American, because I have not found an American yet, hating Iranians living in his/her country, the way you or Ismatolah pertain. I can’t picture you as an Iranian living in Iran either, like Ismatolah pretend she/ or he is, because no Iranian possesses the kind of hatred toward his/her fellow Iranian no matter what. I can only guess this- you and Ismatolah are not Iranians nor Americans. For your information, during my 35 years of stay in America and traveled 48 states, I have not yet found one Iranian being homosexual. Homosexuality is not the subject of discussion in this forum, but you brought it to our attention. Therefore I can also guess you yourself is familiar with this subject and this way of life. I don’t condone or condemn it. It is not for me to judge yours or Ismatolah’s sexual tendencies and orientation. I judge you by your political capacity, since this forum is about Iran’s politics not Hollywood taboo and gossips concerning your sexual orientation or preferences. I have also come to this conclusion, that you and Ismatolah, have no conscious, morality, and no clue concerning Iran’s politics, and divert the issues to sex and hate, the kind of things a psychopath would do. Truly, Esfandiar
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Posted by marg bar velayete fagih on 10-May-05, 02:26 AM (GMT)
>You might be right Ismatullah, I >have met many Iranians, living >in the USA or Canada... > > >Majority of them are homosexuals, or >drug users, they collect welfare >and cant hold a job, >3 or 5 men living >in 2 bedroom apartments, no >women in sight no girlfriends, >wives anything like that... > >We generally look upon them in >a negative manner cause thier >a drain on our system, >perhaps thier spoiled little brats >who have lost thier daddys >income after he was proberly >kicked out or whatever. > >They seem like little children, throwing >a tantrum, because mommy took >the candy away. > >As you can proberly see by >thier post most have left >Iran 10 yrs ago or >more, yet they still cant >compile an English sentence correctly, >no wonder they cant understand >Arabic. They proberly cant understand >Farsi either. Besides like I >said majority of them are >homosexuals, drug users, rapists, child >molesters. Infact majority of rapists >caught in Canada were Iranian. > hey i had no idea there were sooo many akhoonds in Canada!! are you 4 real? they're still molesting kids and raping and what not even in Canada? WOW!
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76. "RE: To all the morons out there. "
Posted by MKO Vs. Iraqi Government on 11-May-05, 03:28 PM (GMT)
MKO Vs. Iraqi Government After months of explicit interference in the internal affairs of Iraq and cooperating with pro-saddam elements against Shiites to influence the formation of an Iraqi government, Remnants of terrorist Mojahedin-e Khalq in Camp Ashraf now stand desperately against the new Iraqi government to create unrest in Iraq (like what it did after the revolution of 1979 in Iran) in order to take advantage of the situation. On Thursday, May 6, 2005, 100 Iraqis in Baghdad expressed their support for Mojahedin-e Khalq and started threatening the government of Mr. Ibrahim Al-Jafari under the pretext of request for not expelling this terrorist group. According to the reports of Mojahedin from this gathering, the role of this group as a balancing weight in the strategic formulations in Iraq was underlined and the necessity of uniting with Mojahedin against fundamentalism was stressed. Participants showed the real nature of such gatherings- which is to oppose the formation of Iraqi government and violating the public order- when, in an irrelevant position taking, asked the government to “base the permanent Iraqi constitution on the universal declaration of Human Rights, United Nations treaty, Vienna Treaties, and Paris Treaties, which were the countries that had experimental struggles in getting to democracy.” They said: “practical guarantee for establishing democracy and preventing the violation of human rights and providing political and social rights of Iraqi people is the formation of an anti-fundamentalist democratic front from all democratic and national forces of Iraq and separation of church from the state.” They asked: “regarding to the laws and treaties and international conventions about the rights of refugees, Iraqi government and ruling body should consider the rights of Mojahedin-e Khalq.” MKO’s stand against the formation of Iraqi constitution based on the culture and religion of people is derived from its opposition to Iraqi Muslims, especially the Shiites. This opposition is along the anti-Islamic policies of Israeli government in the region and is certainly supported by hidden hands of Israel in Iraq. Early after the revolution of 1979 in Iran, Mojahedin shouted the slogan of formation of “anti-imperialist unified front”, brought unrest to the society and followed the models of South Yemen, Nicaragua and Libya as the revolutionary models. Now, it’s again bringing unrest under the cover of the slogan of “anti-fundamentalism unified front” and “following the model of United Nations, Paris Treaty and Human Rights.” The main concern of MKO is its expulsion by the Iraqi government. It has now understood that the MKO can’t stop the Iraqi government from banning and expelling them, so it’s trying to create violence and unrest in order to take advantage of the situation.
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19. "RE: To all the morons out there. "
Posted by Cyrus the great on 06-Jan-04, 05:46 PM (GMT)
Ismatullah !!!!???? what a filthy Arab name! Your not Iranian ! that's not your country and you are just too stupid to comment on this matter! Prostitution rates in Iran are amongst the highest in the world! with exploitation of Iranian girls to arab countries quickly becoming an epidemic. Iran is also known to have the highest rate of drug addicts in the world. People are in poverty like no other time in our history - all because of your beloved perverted akhoonds. your time and that of other 'bache akhoonds', 'Mullah moftkhors', and 'basiji sheepishos' will come soon. Specialy since ignorant, unintelligent bache akhoonds like yourself are the future prospects of the islamic republic. All hezbollahis will then be shipped back to Saudi Arabia and other arab countries.
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39. "RE: To all the morons out there. "
Posted by A FRIENDLY 'MORON' ;-)) on 07-Aug-04, 02:35 PM (GMT)
>Ismatullah !!!!???? what a filthy Arab >name! Your not Iranian ! >that's not your country and >you are just too stupid >to comment on this matter! > > >Prostitution rates in Iran are amongst >the highest in the world! >with exploitation of Iranian girls >to arab countries quickly becoming >an epidemic. Iran is also >known to have the highest >rate of drug addicts in >the world. People are in >poverty like no other time >in our history - all >because of your beloved perverted >akhoonds. > >your time and that of other >'bache akhoonds', 'Mullah moftkhors', and >'basiji sheepishos' will come soon. >Specialy since ignorant, unintelligent >bache akhoonds like yourself are >the future prospects of the >islamic republic. All hezbollahis will >then be shipped back to >Saudi Arabia and other arab >countries. <KHOOB GOFTI, AMMA KAM GOFTI!!DOROOD BE SHOMA
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20. "RE: To all the morons out there. "
Posted by Sohrob Tahmasebi on 09-Apr-04, 01:24 AM (GMT)
Get lost douche-bag! It was the towel-head mullahs and their dumb-fuck supporters like yourself who ruined Iran with that Islamic government bullshit and I blame you all for setting the country back decades. One day the population will rise up and drag those filthy mullahs by their beards out into the street and put bullets through their diseased brains.
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22. "RE: To all the morons out there. "
Posted by Irani on 29-May-04, 12:04 PM (GMT)
Yeah, i bet if someone whip, stoned and hanged them they wouldnt be so cocky!
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24. "RE: To all the morons out there. "
Posted by I Dont Know on 12-Jun-04, 03:06 PM (GMT)
i am tring to figure out why these hard-core muslims like the stone-age and why they blindly give their life for an after-life that is so much like the one they fight against(the west has wine ,woman and song in this life not after you are dead)
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25. "RE: To all the morons out there. "
Posted by Capitalist on 27-Jul-04, 02:01 AM (GMT)
I will leave your country alone when your government ceases to exist and is replaced by one that ACTUALLY upholds the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Untill the you are my enemy!!
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26. "RE: To all the morons out there. "
Posted by Dr.Amir on 28-Jul-04, 03:06 PM (GMT)
Dear Capitalist please feel free to look at this website and get a better understanding of the hypocrisy that is US foreign policy. This may make you think what it rely means to some people when you proclaimed I will leave your country alone when your government ceases to exist and is replaced by one that ACTUALLY upholds the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Until the you are my enemy!! http://www.angelfire.com/home/iran/1953coup.html If you are not willing to do so then I have pasted it in Dr. Mohammad Mossadegh and the Shah's coup d'état in 1953 By the summer of 1953, the British and American governments initiated a joint Anglo-American plan for the covert overthrows of Dr. Mohammad Mossadegh, the Prime Minister of Iran. The plan called Operation AJAX with Kermit Roosevelt, the CIA Middle East Agent in charge (a grandson of Theodore Roosevelt and a distant cousin of Franklin Delano Roosevelt). "So this is how we will get rid of the madman Mossadeq in Iran" announced John Foster Dulles to a group of top Washington policy makers in June 1953. The U.S. Secretary of State held in his hand a plan of operation to overthrow the Prime Minister of Iran. There was scarcely any discussions amongst the high powered men in the room, no probing questions and no legal or ethical issues raised. - The New York Times, 05/29/1997, "The CIA destroyed files on 1953 Iran coup d'état" - The New York Times, 04/16/2000, "The CIA in Iran" - The New York Times (web-site), 06/18/2000, "Overthrow of premier Mossadeq of Iran" The decision was made in June 1953 to replace Dr. Mohammad Mossadegh with General Fazlollah Zahedi; one of those arrested in February 1953 on charges of plotting to overthrow the nationalist government. Kermit Roosevelt, the CIA Middle East Agent, travelled secretly to Iran to coordinate the Operation AJAX with the Shah and the Iranian military, which was led by General Fazlollah Zahedi. In accordance with the plan, on August 16, 1953, the Shah violated the Iran's Monarchy Constitution and dismissed Dr. Mossadegh and his nationalist cabinet without the parliament's approval and appointed General Fazlollah Zahedi as the new Prime Minister. The chief of the Royal Guards, Colonel Nematollah Nassiri, served Dr. Mossadegh with a formal dismissal notice. In addition, he was ordered to occupy Dr. Mossadegh's house by the Royal troops and hold him in his house until further instructions, but the Prime Minister's guards forced them to quit. The coup d'état was publicized and caused major disappointment and dissatisfaction amongst the people throughout the country. In a matter of hours, massive rioting erupted in Iran in wide support of Dr. Mossadegh; and the Shah fled to Italy. The people's protest and demonstration continued for two days and led to pull down the statues of the Shah and his father all over the country. On August 19th, 1953, the British Intelligence Service (MI6) and the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), engineered to perform the next phase of their plan against the Iranian national government of Dr. Mossadegh. On that tragic day, a group of tanks led by General Fazlollah Zahedi moved through Tehran and surrounded Dr. Mossadegh's residence. The forces behind the coup d'état also managed to pull a large number of bribed hooligans into the streets to rally against Dr. Mossadegh. Finally the army and police forces let the mob reach the Prime Minister's residence and after hours of bombarding and fighting a bloody battle with the small group of Dr. Mossadegh's loyal guards, they entered the house and after plundering it, they burned it down. In a matter of hours Dr. Mossadegh and his top cabinet leaders surrendered themselves to the coup d'état Prime Minister, General Fazlollah Zahedi, and the Shah flew back to Iran, as a U.S. puppet On August 19th, 1953 (28th day of Mordad 1332, Persian calendar); the Shah's dictatorship restored. "I owe my throne to the God, my people, my army and to you", the Shah reportedly told the CIA Mideast Agent, Kermit Roosevelt Dr. Mossadegh remains a figure of tremendous stature in the history of modern Iran. As an individual he had a reputation for honesty, integrity, and sincerity. He strongly opposed British and, later, American influence in Iran. He was an eloquent, impassioned orator, and his speeches are still widely read in Iran During Dr. Mossadegh's trial in the Shah's military court, he publicized the secrets of two military coup d'état attempts against his government. He was sentenced to three years imprisonment; thereafter he was transferred to his country house in Ahmad-Abad at the age of 74 and lived there under house arrest until his death. On March 4, 1967, Dr. Mossadegh died of cancer at the age of 84. His body was buried in one of the rooms of his residence. He was survived by 2 sons and 3 daughters. The Iranian people never forgave the Shah for the 1953 illegitimate and bloody coup d'état against the Iranian national hero, Dr. Mohammad Mossadegh and his nationalist cabinet. The Iranian people deeply suffered under the Shah's dictatorship, corruption, phoney elections, heavy censorship on the public media, torture and execution of thousands of dissenters until the 1979 Revolution. There is more to say about You leve other peoples country alone and they wont hate you for doing it. Until then you are the enemy of the true democracy for all. -Cuba: America supporting anti-castor terrorists since 1959, the Cuban five, and off course the Bay of Pigs -Haiti: USA backing the Duvalier family, which resorted to terrorism and many atrocities. Supporting Emmanuel Constant, or Toto, a paramilitary who carried out many terror attacks in the 90's. -Nicaragua: Arming of the contra terrorists to overthrow a democratically elected government in the 80's. -Venezuela: supporting military officers in a coup against Hugo Chavez. these men resorted to terrorist bombings. -Chile: attack on democracy in the 60's and 70'sby the CIA. USA afraid that Chilean resources would fall under Chilean control -Italy: CIA attempts in the 60's to undermine democratic processes. Democracy described as "communism" by the USA. the "French connection" and arming of ultra right and terrorist paramilitary groups by the USA that Italy could not function. There are also American atrocities in Cambodia, Vietnam, the nuclear bombs dropped on Japan and the use of depleted uranium shells in the gulf war in Iraq. American arms used in genocides of 230,000 people in east Timor. Killing of intellectuals in 1989 in el Salvador, these were people in the catholic church who wanted more right for the poor and oppressed. Then there is panama, attacks on Noriega because he supported the Contadora treaty, which was a plan for peace in Central America. And of course the current use of American arms by Israel, turkey, Colombia, Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan, Philippines, which all have resulted in death of innocent civilians under the "war on terror" campaign. There is more. Attack on Iraqi electrical and water purification facilities in the gulf war. These are direct violations of the Geneva Convention. These actions were followed by sanction on water purification equipment and material, which led to genocide consequences. And now we hear how America really cares about the Iraqi people. The USA is violating many UN treaties. These are treaties on biological weapons such as : weapons grade anthrax, genetically modified microbes. These weapons are illegal and unethical. but apparently the states is morally superior to the rest and can use them, but no one else should. So dear Capitalist please for your own sake, leave other people s country alone and not wreck it for your own selfish interest and may be we all would live in liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Until then you are your own worst enemy.
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27. "RE: To all the morons out there. "
Posted by Capitalist on 29-Jul-04, 03:24 AM (GMT)
Dr. Amir, truly a sad time for the world. From Ismatullah: "So, leave Iran to the true Iranians who support their country and each other. You all represent a generation of traitors and murderers whom we are glad to be rid of." I do not see a center point for any negotiation as the Iranian government has openly admitted that it is their intent to destroy the "great satan" and their zionist puppet Isreal. Is this sort of intent suppose to foster something other than returned hatred or aggression? Regardless of past operational failure there can never be peace without a change in perspective. I see it happening now in Iran and China. Someday, 25-50 years from now both will nolonger hold the evil aura that they do now for the US govt. Both will more closely resemble a moderate socialist state like Canada. Bye
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28. "RE: truly a sad time for the world"
Posted by Dr.Amir on 29-Jul-04, 07:55 AM (GMT)
>Dear Capitalist: RE: Dr. Amir, truly a sad time for the world. From Ismatullah: "So, leave Iran to the true Iranians who support their country and each other. You all represent a generation of traitors and murderers whom we are glad to be rid of." I do not see a center point for any negotiation as the Iranian government has openly admitted that it is their intent to destroy the "great satan" and their zionist puppet Isreal. Is this sort of intent suppose to foster something other than returned hatred or aggression? Regardless of past operational failure there can never be peace without a change in perspective. I see it happening now in Iran and China. Someday, 25-50 years from now both will nolonger hold the evil aura that they do now for the US govt. Both will more closely resemble a moderate socialist state like Canada. Thank you for initiating a sensible dialogue, I did not really know whether you were the same as the Ismatullah but on the opposite side or not. Christian fundamentalism irrespective of how it hides itself in the US constitution is just as bad as Islamic fundamentalism. As there are countries on the US administration list of evil empire, by the way this Iran was put on the list at the last mint on the insistence of the Zionist lobby in the US. Given that the when it comes the US administration interest, it will destroy any hopes of democracy in other countries, for its benefit. Why do you complain when people that generally make up a government and I not just talking about Iran but most European countries and people, dislike American administration foreign policy. Can you not understand that by what the American foreign policy if the past has created the terrorist of today. Biggest example is the Taliban and the Al-qaida. As in the words of American official that helped these people, we chose these nasty people because we know they will do the job of defeating the USSR. The Taliban were helped and created by the US, as long as they were the terrorists of other people, it did not matter to any one in the USA. When the people of the US were funding the IRA to place bombs in the UK, place were I have lived since the age of 9, for people that were your alleged ally no American president stopped this fund raising until September eleventh. So you must understand it is this double standard that bring the likes of me to be very suspicious of any non Iranian telling Iranians that we need to help you to get democracy. Some of my friends had family killed, by the Taliban and some of my friends family were in the two towers in New York. My family also suffered from chemical attack by the former ally of the US Mr Sadam Hussein. It seems that we Irani8ans have to suffer from American folly and are expected to place it in the past and let the US carry on doing what it likes like a spoilt chilled. It about time the US cleanses its act up and stops being the Military bully that it is so that the rest of the people in the world can live in pece and pursuit of happiness. PS: Canada and the US are the same, they just have diffrent internal policy to each other. Bye
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29. "RE: truly a sad time for the world"
Posted by FOSI on 30-Jul-04, 10:23 PM (GMT)
I do agree with "Cap" .How can anyone have a negotiations with a country that publicly insights its people into riot style chanting of "death to America" and "the great satan".throwing rocks at embasseys and calling for hords of martyrs (sorry for the spelling ,had some beers after work.lol)
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30. "RE: truly a sad time for the world"
Posted by Capitalist on 31-Jul-04, 00:29 AM (GMT)
Dr. Amir, When November comes around every two years I goto the polling site and cast my ballot for the most objective and well reasond cantidate available. That however, under the current government for the people but not by the people, is where my ability to control forigen policy ends. I do not agree with the use of taxes to fund third world terrorist oganizations or private wars for the CIA. I would much more like to keep my Dollars in the US defending our boarders and keep our troops here doing the same. Unfortunately during the cold war there were far more pressing concerns to be dealt with as both the USSR and the US had enough nuclear warheads to effectively decimate the entire face of this planet. Now with that as a perspective, the closet wars and fight for allies in countries with a statiegic advantage for either side takes on a different meaning. I say it is now the responsibility of both the US and the former USSR to correct for past mistakes. The US policy is different from mine however. I would say that an apology is in order but then WE must not forget that it was a war and war does have casualties. Even if the two governments did do an about face and admit an error in judgement had occurred would the Iranian government see it for what it was? To your P.S. NO SIR Canada is much more Socialist than the US and has done well at curtailing their peoples freedoms. Although, the US is in the crosshairs of the Socialist gun and it is likely that without intervention we will look alot like Canada in 10-20 years
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31. "RE: truly a sad time for the world"
Posted by FOSI on 31-Jul-04, 03:55 AM (GMT)
Dear "Cap" I'm coming to take your country over.Canada fears the U.S. might be hiding Bin Ladin. Sorry,lol,just having fun!!!plus I worked hard all week and am getting drunk now the moral of this story is that maybe people should interact and we might get along Worth a try
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33. "RE: truly a sad time for the world"
Posted by An American on 03-Aug-04, 06:22 AM (GMT)
As an American I have to say, FOSI, you, and those like you, are an embarassment to the United States. If you really have "worked hard all week and am getting drunk now" why don't you find something else to do than to come here and post ignorant comments. With that out of the way, I have to agree with Cap on one thing (and probably not a whole lot more) and that is that we don't seem to have the control over those that we elect. Amir is right that we (Americans) are still held responsible for what our country does. I would like to see the US pull out of all of the meddling we do in the rest of the world. I would like to see the money that we send elsewhere in the world be kept in the US to be spent on US interests (such as keeping our borders secure) or helping clean up some of our own social problems. I think there would be more of that type of thought by our leaders, however, if the rest of the world would stop asking for us for help rather than relying on their own resourcefulness. After reading many of the posts in this forum, I have to say my eyes have been opened a little more. I did not previously know that there was a movement within Iran against Muslims. I have heard nothing in the mainstream media about but hope they are successful. I agree with the comments regarding removing religion from government. And yes, I understand that we are a Christian nation, but the US doesn't shove it down our throats like many other countries. If people all over this world would just get a little more tolerant regarding religion and all of the world's governments would take care of their own domestic messes, we might "all get along". Unfortunately, we will probably continue to get involved in other peoples' business. I believe that what was said about us being our own worst enemy is correct. We (Americans) start out innocently wanting to "help" someone in their struggle and then stretch that to telling them what God they should worship, what food they should eat (are there McDonald's in Tehran?), what cars they should drive, what products they should use and how they should feel about most everything in the world. And then, we want a payback of some kind for our "generosity" and start trying to make deals. We need to stop it. I would like to see the UN dissolved and the US pull out of all of the conflicts in the world and take care of ourselves, while leaving other countries to manage their own affairs. People like FOSI and SmokingGun are responsible for portraying Americans as irresponsible, ignorant, redneck inhabitatnts of this world. We are NOT all like that. The vast majority of Americans are intelligent, and objective, enough to understand, and support, a people wanting to be free in their own country without undue outside influences. And for those people like the two mentioned above, all I can do is say that every country has it's ignorant people, but only in America do they have broadband Internet in their double-wide to inform everyone just HOW ignorant they are. Good luck to you all in your struggle against Islam and outside influences...... Quoted: >Dear "Cap" >I'm coming to take your country >over.Canada fears the U.S. might >be hiding Bin Ladin. > >Sorry,lol,just having fun!!!plus I worked hard >all week and am getting >drunk now > >the moral of this story is >that maybe people should interact >and we might get along > > >Worth a try
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32. "RE: truly a sad time for the world"
Posted by Dr.Amir on 02-Aug-04, 08:20 AM (GMT)
Dear Cap Going to the poles does not diminish you’re responsibility, for what your country does in your name when it comes to foreign policy. As I have to read some of the nonsense that you and FOSI come up with because I am Iranian( ie you condemned me without knowing what I am never mined who I am) then don’t be surprised when others do they same to you. RE: I would say that an apology is in order but then WE must not forget that it was a war and war does have casualties. It was your war ( ie the USSR and US) but the fanatic that are installed in the CIA and KGB could not help it but sill it over to other people. Yes you are right there are apologies that need to be done. But I feel you seem to miss the point, your war created the nasty people that you are fighting against. The Iranian people generally see the involvement of the US in Iran as for selfish interest. Canada is similar to the UK where I reside, the fentis in the US seem to think any thing that is liberal or socialist is a kin to communism. There is nothing wrong in wanting to have a national health service for all too use funded by all that contribute by paying taxes. PS: it is a breath of fresh air when I can read your sensible comments, It gives me abetter idea as to how you are and what you believe and not the propaganda that just comes from the screen. As I have said in the past irrespective of the government, they are all repressive and dictatorial. It is the people that needs to be aware and vigilant against so that the level of this repression does not increase.
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35. "RE: truly a sad time for the world"
Posted by Capitalist on 04-Aug-04, 01:39 AM (GMT)
I AGREE that past US policy is the cause of current US pain. "reap what you sow" is true. Please explain to me how US involvement now to assist the opposition to remove the theocracy that is bleeding Iran dry could be construed as wrong? You are correct that it would be selfish, as having a free and democratic Iran is in my best interest, but that is where my selfish interest would end I do not want or ask anything else.
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36. "RE: truly a sad time for the world"
Posted by Dr.Amir on 04-Aug-04, 12:06 PM (GMT)
Re: I AGREE that past US policy is the cause of current US pain. "reap what you sow" is true. I am glad that we have reached appoint the we can agree on matters that in reality cause so much loos of life, especially of the innocent children of the world. RE: Please explain to me how US involvement now to assist the opposition to remove the theocracy that is bleeding Iran dry could be construed as wrong? You are correct that it would be selfish, as having a free and democratic Iran is in my best interest, but that is where my selfish interest would end I do not want or ask anything else. From individual point of view there is nothing wrong, however as we spoke of this before, what an administration does in the shadow’s in your name is what I personally fear. I am very happy to get your support for change, it is what the CIA or other branches does to get regime change that fears me, in the past they tried this by supporting the Iraqi dictator. The aftermath of this is the same people that can change the regime, volunteered to defend their homes. There were lots of people in Iran that did not agree with the current government, but felt compled to join the army and defend there home, because of the external threat imposed on them. This action alone was not productive for Iranians and the people in the USA. The selfish interest is not yours, but those that work in the shadow’s and in your name.
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37. "An idea to foster change?"
Posted by Capitalist on 07-Aug-04, 01:22 PM (GMT)
I had an idea after reading the 02 Aug IPS article on the crackdown on western style by the state. In one of the earlier posts it had been said that the leaders were using their power to get rich and stuff it away in secret bank accounts. Here is the idea, those transactions should be traceable. The assets should be frozen, a full disclosure made of the totals, then used to fund the disolution of the current regiem and the creation of the new government.
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34. "RE: To all the morons out there. "
Posted by Capitalist on 04-Aug-04, 01:31 AM (GMT)
After rereading this post I need to make a correction. I mis-spoke when I said "Untill then you are my enemy!!" What I had wanted to state was my animosity for the theocracy and not the individual. I am sorry.
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38. "RE: To all the morons out there. "
Posted by A FRIENDLY 'MORON' ;-) on 07-Aug-04, 02:16 PM (GMT)
My Dear Fellow country-man, you sound angry and very upset. Smart as you sound to be, ask your-self who is responsible for our todays' misery!? Dear Friend, you are NOT abandoned even less forgotten. Look around, take a deep breath, will you? The pollution does not come from "out side"! It's time to open eyes and put our legendary impulsif reactions aside. Many search for ways to help us; you & I!! Our serenity is for now the only way to help fight the evil!! Love and let live. Be smart and stay positif. Keep your forces to attack effitiantly those really responsible!!
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40. "RE: To all the morons out there. "
Posted by FOSI on 08-Aug-04, 08:39 PM (GMT)
Who is responsible?
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41. "RE: To all the morons out there. "
Posted by reza on 08-Oct-04, 04:41 PM (GMT)
all said is true, but and here it comes. if the west so bad and you guys do not like it why is it that you morans line up in front of visa section. I bet you it has nothing to do with whorehouses or bars. it is the principale of the freedom that matters. now if some people call a bar freedom , do not blame everybody. yes having a bar is freedom, but my firend threr is a lot that people like you must learn. in life. and if you like Iran with mullas, I have a better place for you. Migrate to pakistan and leave Iran to Iraninas that were there for 3000 years before muslims got there.
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42. "RE: To all the morons out there. "
Posted by Rostam on 12-Oct-04, 09:40 PM (GMT)
What pisses me off is that; fucking Arabs murdered and raped our fathers and mothers for centuries and imposed their shitty religion on peace loving Zoarastians and then they have the audacity to tell Iranian to leave Iran alone. Get your facts right you’re a fucking Arab in Iran. It does not matter how many generations you stay and interbreed (you mongol). You are still Arabs, so fuck off This is time for you fucking Arabs to leave Iran and let true Iranian run their country.
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43. "RE: To all the morons out there. "
Posted by Dr.Amir on 26-Oct-04, 03:33 PM (GMT)
You seem to forget that the Greeks have a different view about peace loving Persians, and it was Persian that betrayed Persian the Greeks. When the Greeks destroyed the Persian library and imposed their culture on peace loving Persian they destroyed a lot more then the language. Yet no mention of what the Greeks did either. I blame it all on every body else accept on Persian. This is meant to be sarcastic >What pisses me off is that; >fucking Arabs murdered and raped >our fathers and mothers for >centuries and imposed their shitty >religion on peace loving Zoarastians >and then they have the >audacity to tell Iranian to >leave Iran alone. > >Get your facts right you’re a >fucking Arab in Iran. It >does not matter how many >generations you stay and interbreed >(you mongol). You >are still Arabs, so fuck >off > >This is time for you fucking >Arabs to leave Iran and >let true Iranian run their >country.
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44. "RE: To all the morons out there. "
Posted by Irani on 27-Oct-04, 03:07 PM (GMT)
Dr.Amir, You have bought up this with diffrent people destroying our culture serveral times but Of course the greek didn't describe us as peacefull, did we describe them as peacefull? No. Yet the Arabs has destroyed our language far more than anyone else. Other influences seems unrelevant when you hear the fact that new Persian has 35 % arabic words in it, and theyre really uggly it is very simple to understand wich words that are arabic beacuse how theyre pronunced and spelld, like Ya'ni, khalas, ma'molan, ha'tta.
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45. "RE: To all the morons out there. "
Posted by Irani on 27-Oct-04, 03:07 PM (GMT)
Dr.Amir, You have bought up this with diffrent people destroying our culture serveral times but Of course the greek didn't describe us as peacefull, did we describe them as peacefull? No. Yet the Arabs has destroyed our language far more than anyone else. Other influences seems unrelevant when you hear the fact that new Persian has 35 % arabic words in it, and theyre really uggly it is very simple to understand wich words that are arabic beacuse how theyre pronunced and spelld, like Ya'ni, khalas, ma'molan, hatta.
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46. "RE: To all the morons out there. "
Posted by Rostam on 27-Oct-04, 07:06 PM (GMT)
Dr Amir, I don’t care what Greeks say about Persians; whether we were peace loving or not. The only think I care about is to cleanse Iran from this unwanted disease (Tazi and their murderous religion). No other invasion and occupation has destroyed so much of Persian culture. They impose their medieval and out-dated and backward religion on us by force, murder and rape. Is that what they call Peace (Islam) I don’t think you’ll ever find a true Persian (Iranian) who would forgive and forget 1400 years of misery and slavery under direct and indirect control (current region) of Tazi. If you think for a moment Tazi would accept Persians as their next door neighbour, you are mistaken. If they knew, they could destroy Iran for good and get a way with it; they would not hesitate for a moment. Personally I believe in Persian Inquisition against Tazi, let’s make this land once more pure, free of Tazi and their shity religion. Long live Iran
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47. "Dont live in the past "
Posted by Dr.Amir on 28-Oct-04, 08:27 AM (GMT)
Dear Irani and rostam The Arabic language is derived from Aramaic, which was influenced by Persian. Most Arabs do not and will not accept the fact that Persian language has influenced the Arabic language before Islam. Persian language had very little influence on the Greek language ( they were in persia for a 100 years). When the Greeks burnt the Persian library and dispersed the religious leaders of Persia one way or another that had a far more profound influence on the Persian language and culture. However the rebellion against the Greeks was not as strong when compared to the Arab rule. Decapitation of the of Spartan king has made him in Europe a figure for freedom. The subsequent burning of Athens has placed the Greeks in the mind of the west as being a land of freedom and democracy. These acts has placed the Persian in the mind of the west as being believers in single supreme rule ( ie the shah of that time) , and the Greeks were people that believed in democracy. This is not some thing I believe in , as their are evidence to show that they were the same as Persian. However in the mind set of what has become to known as the west, the Persians believe in absolute rule from the time the great kings of Persia. RE: Yet the Arabs has destroyed our language far more than anyone else. Other influences seems unrelevant when you hear the fact that new Persian has 35 % arabic words in it, and theyre really uggly it is very simple to understand wich words that are arabic beacuse how theyre pronunced and spelld, like Ya'ni, khalas, ma'molan, hatta. What about the const use of English French language used in Iran today, is this not an erosions of the Persian language and culture by stealth? What about the incursion of American culture into ever ones culture not just Iran, yet no outspoken rhetoric about the incursion of American culture in to Persian culture, is it because you think it superior to your culture? To constantly go into the past and say what each side has done against each other prevents you going forward. That was the point of my string. Yet we have more of the same about what they have done to us long before any of us was borne. As a mater of point, before Christ and Islam all of the Middle East was under Persian rule conquered by force. Do you not think that Persian solders, solders being solders either by force or money or even love, had fathered lots of children all over the Middle East? Can you two ever think of this possibility?, if you can then can you not also think of the possibility that Persians had a far more influence on the shape of the Middle East then Arabs ever did. As a matter of note, just because some Babylonian, Assyrian specks Arabic it does not make him an Arab. It makes them a persuade Arab. It was in the rain of Omar, that Arabs concord Persian land and sold Persian women in to slavery. Some thing Most Arabs like to point out to me, but when confronted about the fact that slavery is against Islam, they stay very silent. When the Arabs came to Iran, Persian solders were chained to the ground so they would not flee and had to fight. The Arabs did not concourse Persians, the Persians capitulated because of all that was corruption with the rulers of the time. The Arabs did not rule withy dignity and with their religion in mined, because of the corrupt rulers But there is nothing any one of can do about the past, all we can do is try to improve the future and not to make the same mistake.
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48. "RE: Dont live in the past "
Posted by Irani on 28-Oct-04, 06:29 PM (GMT)
Having read european history for along time. I can say without hesitation that Greeks & Romans where much more cultivated than arabs ever has been. Especially those arabs, those grose Muhamedians that "conquered" Persians. It wasn't wierd that the rebellion against Greeks wasn't as big as that against arabs, Maybe beacuse the greeks didn't force us into another religion that "changed" our culture. The Greek and Persian Culture was more alike than the Persian and Arabic. I personally don't think that those "French/English words" are even half as uggly as the Arabic. There is a simple reason for their existence: Persian is a Indo-European language. Arabic is a semitic & Afro-Asian as some calls it, there should be clear diffrence between Arabic & Persian. It's important to prevent that Persian too becomes a Afro-Asian language! The Mullahs are trying hard to destroy our languages. They have changed the grammar of text in newspapers & the Iranian Tv so badly a first grader could read the newspapers before -79 and understand it clearly. Nowdays s/he won't get half of it!. So Even if the arab language was influented by Aramic wich was a language divided in eastern & western dialects, it is still a uggly language, i have a friend that speak syirac wich is a form of
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49. "RE: Dont live in the past "
Posted by Irani on 28-Oct-04, 06:44 PM (GMT)
Having read european history for along time. I can say without hesitation that Greeks & Romans where much more cultivated than arabs ever has been. Especially those arabs, those grose Muhamedians that "conquered" Persians. It wasn't wierd that the rebellion against Greeks wasn't as big as that against arabs, Maybe beacuse the greeks didn't force us into another religion that "changed" our culture. The Greek and Persian Culture was more alike than the Persian and Arabic. I personally don't think that those "French/English words" are even half as uggly as the Arabic. There is a simple reason for their existence: Persian is a Indo-European language. Arabic is a semitic & Afro-Asian as some calls it, there should be clear diffrence between Arabic & Persian. It's important to prevent that Persian too becomes a Afro-Asian language! The Mullahs are trying hard to destroy our languages. They have changed the grammar of text in newspapers & the Iranian Tv so badly a first grader could read the newspapers before -79 and understand it clearly. Nowdays s/he won't get half of it!. So Even if the arab language was influented by Aramic wich was a language divided in eastern & western dialects, it is still a uggly language, i have a friend that speak syirac wich is a form of aramic. even if it has influented the Arabic it probably have influented in those places it was spoken mostly The noth western ME. Aramic has also influenced Hebrew, still it clearly diffrences from persian or arabic. If Aramic was a language was common for people in the ME, that used it so they could interact with each other that was great. if only it still was like this. But Arabic will never be used like that. Arabic is not a modern language it doesn't even have the alphabet letters p(پ),g(گ),j(zh, ژ )& ch (چ). There for it is clear that it is slowly destroying persian and the Tazis are loving it. And yes i belive persian soldiers was much more civilized then the arabs. The people of those countries was allowed to practice their own religion. This is thx too the Zoroastrianism PEACEFULL religion. About the incursion of American culture in other cultures. If youre talking about MTV & Hollywood, I don't think they are american but more western. I don't think western culture & Persian are that far apart anyway. The youth of Iran can only chose between westernization or arabization, what would you choose? well i would certainley not choose arabization. The Persian culture is superior every other culture for me, the fact that the fighter against the arab invasion (babak xorramedin)'s wife Banou fought by his side when arab women where hidding in their tents afraid to be seen only proves that our culture is better. No we can't change the past. but we can change our language. it's easy to cleanse out the arabic words & neccesary so that in 60 years our language will be Parsi again not, not Farsi a Iranian dialect of arabic...
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50. "RE: Dont live in the past "
Posted by Dr.Amir on 29-Oct-04, 09:00 AM (GMT)
>Having read european history for along >time. >I can say without hesitation that >Greeks & Romans where much >more cultivated than arabs ever >has been. I belive you need to read a bit more Europian history obiectively. >The Greek and Persian Culture was >more alike than the Persian and Arabic. In what way were they the same since bouth had diffrent ligal and addmenastrative as well as religun. Persian belived in monolithic religun, ie one god, whilest the greeks were polylithic and used lots of goods. >I personally don't think that those >"French/English words" are even half >as uggly as the Arabic. Since when does a longuage become ugly, or is it only when you disagree with the political system? >There is a simple reason >for their existence: Persian is >a Indo-European language. Arabic is >a semitic & Afro-Asian as >some calls it, there should >be clear diffrence between Arabic >& Persian. It's important to >prevent that Persian too becomes >a Afro-Asian language! Are we going down the road of racism? by trying to distinguish the world through the view point of geographic race established by the west then you secome to all its fallings. What you forget is the one of the great kings of Iran married a Jew a Semitic person. She was named sera she apparently had a lot of influence on the king. You may find a Semitic Jew and ask to read all the books they have on her, it may appear that the Semitic have had an influence on the culture of Persia before Islam. It is also worth noting that Persian were also trades men and in their trade they came contact not just with the west but also east, like china, that also has a lot off influence on culture. Foe example the word bibi ( daddy) it is the same for the chins as it is for the Persian. The Mullahs are trying hard to destroy >our languages. They have changed >the grammar of text in >newspapers & the Iranian Tv >so badly a first grader >could read the newspapers before -79 and understand it clearly. Nowdays >s/he won't get half of >it!. If this is the case then why are they trying to replace all non persian word with persian? So Even if the >arab language was influented by >Aramic wich was a language >divided in eastern & western >dialects, it is still a >uggly language, i have a >friend that speak syirac wich >is a form of aramic. > >even if it has influented the >Arabic it probably have influented >in those places it was >spoken mostly The noth western >ME. Aramic has also influenced >Hebrew, still it clearly diffrences >from persian or arabic. > Your hatered of the regime in Iran seems to have created a lot of hate for a language, if the rgime in Iran was japonise and you did not like it would it mean that you would hate japonise. I think it would. >If Aramic was a language was >common for people in the >ME, that used it so they could interact with eachother that was great. if only it still was like this. But Arabic will never be used >like that. Arabic is nota modern language it doesn't >even have the alphabet letters >p(پ),g(گ),j(zh, ژ )& ch (چ). > I dont undrestand what you are trying to get at, what do you mean it is not a modern language? Persian is not a modern language either nor is greek or latine. >There for it is clear thatit is slowly destroying persian and the Tazis are loving it. NO profe of this at all >And yes i belive persian soldiers was much more civilized then the arabs. The people of >those countries was allowed to >practice their own religion. This >is thx too the Zoroastrianism >PEACEFULL religion. The Persian believe by allowing the other cutlers to practice what they believed they would be easier to administer. This makes good tactic, let us not forget the Greek, Roman, British etc changed the culture of a nation to insure complete subjugation hence their ability to rule even when they left that country. The impact on the culture of the other counties are deported, to such an extent that it is present in modern day. The Persian ruled over Egypt and their is no long lasting impact on the culture language and administration system. The Greeks came changed most thing and even to this day their presence is felt. The Egyptian look at the period of their history with more pride then they do when compared with Persian rule. Any one who think that an empire is created though peaceful solders is completely talking out of there hat, this notion an empire crated though peaceful solders is an oxymoron. >About the incursion of American culture in other cultures. If youre >talking about MTV & Hollywood, I don't think they are >american but more western. I don't think western culture & >Persian are that far apart anyway. I live in the UK so it is comparing British culture with that of the US, Where the US leads Briton will follow with a lag time of 10 year. The culture of mainland Europe is different to that of UK and they are more resistant as their language is not English. So please don’t give ma any nonsense that it is MTV for the kids, I am talking of culture not pop music. >The youth of Iran can only chose between westernization or arabization, >what would you choose? well i would certainley not choose arabization. I don’t think you living in Europe can be the spoke person for the Iranian youth. The Youth of any country will chose a culture that they want irrespective of their parents or government chose. That is the nature of the rebellious nature of being a youth. The Persian culture is >superior every other culture for >me, the fact that the >fighter against the arab invasion >(babak xorramedin)'s wife Banou fought >by his side when arab >women where hidding in their >tents afraid to be seen >only proves that our culture >is better. > I had female family member of mine fight in the front line against Iraqi solders some died some injured. One thing they say out loud and with pride wiliest others ran from Iran we fought for it, know the hard work is done you from Europe and the US are telling us how iron should be ruled and run., go home fahrangi. I believe you may have come across this if not then you have not come in contact with those that fought for their country. >No we can't change the past. We agree on one thing >but we can change our language. it's easy to cleanse out the arabic words & >neccesary so that in 60 years our language will be Parsi again not, not Farsi >a Iranian dialect of arabic... Persia is Greek name for us and Farsi is the Arabic name for US. What is our true name. As you are against Arabisation of Persian language, I am against all foreignization of our language. For any one to think that Farsi is a dialect of Arabic, they have truly lost the plot and sold their language, what it you that sated that only 35% of Farsi is Arabic. The English language is made up of all other languages and is an international language, what do you think this says about keeping the language pure?
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51. "RE: Dont live in the past "
Posted by Irani on 29-Oct-04, 02:43 PM (GMT)
>>Having read european history for along >>time. >>I can say without hesitation that >>Greeks & Romans where much >>more cultivated than arabs ever >>has been. > >I belive you need to read >a bit more Europian history >obiectively. ofcourse you do. >>The Greek and Persian Culture was >>more alike than the Persian and Arabic. > >In what way were they the >same since bouth had diffrent >ligal and addmenastrative as well >as religun. Persian belived in >monolithic religun, ie one god, >whilest the greeks were polylithic >and used lots of goods. I find it Insulting to compare Zorastrims to Islam. Zorastrims is the ground for all the tre major religions. Zoroastrians believes in one god but in the same time they belive in goddeses (i.e. anahita) >>I personally don't think that those >>"French/English words" are even half >>as uggly as the Arabic. > >Since when does a longuage become >ugly, or is it only >when you disagree with the >political system? since when is arabic a language? >>There is a simple reason >>for their existence: Persian is >>a Indo-European language. Arabic is >>a semitic & Afro-Asian as >>some calls it, there should >>be clear diffrence between Arabic >>& Persian. It's important to >>prevent that Persian too becomes >>a Afro-Asian language! > >Are we going down the road >of racism? by trying to >distinguish the world through the >view point of geographic race >established by the west then >you secome to all its >fallings. What you >forget is the one of >the great kings of Iran >married a Jew a Semitic >person. She was named sera >she apparently had a lot >of influence on the king. >You may find a Semitic >Jew and ask to read >all the books they have >on her, it may appear >that the Semitic have had >an influence on the culture >of Persia before Islam. >It is also worth noting that >Persian were also trades men >and in their trade they >came contact not just with >the west but also east, >like china, that also has >a lot off influence on >culture. Foe example the word >bibi ( daddy) it is >the same for the chins >as it is for the >Persian. It's totaly unneccesary to cleanse out those few turkish/mongol & other words, specially when Arabic stands for 35% of the vocabulary. I said nothing about racism nor something bad about semitics, as son as semitic is mentioned it don't have to be about rasist, Am i the one that are an european or is it you? I have nothing against Israelis or Arabs they are the ones who don't accept each others. >The Mullahs are trying hard to >destroy >>our languages. They have changed >>the grammar of text in >>newspapers & the Iranian Tv >>so badly a first grader >>could read the newspapers before -79 and understand it clearly. Nowdays >>s/he won't get half of >>it!. > >If this is the case then >why are they trying to >replace all non persian word >with persian? Oh are they really? or they just replacing them with long and difficult sentences? at the same they have changed the words and grammer of school books to Arabic ones. >So Even if the >>arab language was influented by >>Aramic wich was a language >>divided in eastern & western >>dialects, it is still a >>uggly language, i have a >>friend that speak syirac wich >>is a form of aramic. >> >>even if it has influented the >>Arabic it probably have influented >>in those places it was >>spoken mostly The noth western >>ME. Aramic has also influenced >>Hebrew, still it clearly diffrences >>from persian or arabic. >> > >Your hatered of the regime in >Iran seems to have created >a lot of hate for >a language, if the rgime >in Iran was japonise and >you did not like it >would it mean that you >would hate japonise. I think >it would. Arabic has been destroying our language longer then 25 yrs but that was slowly changing before the revolution. but now it's going faster then ever. If the Regime of Iran would have been japanese i might have hated that too. Or maybe i wouldn't even you can see the diffrence between Japan & Saudi Arabia. >>If Aramic was a language was >>common for people in the >>ME, that used it so they could interact with eachother that was great. if only it still was like thi s. But Arabic will never be used >>like that. Arabic is nota modern language it doesn't >even have the alphabet letters >>p(پ),g(گ),j(zh, ژ )& ch (چ). >> > >I dont undrestand what you are >trying to get at, what >do you mean it is >not a modern language? Persian >is not a modern language >either nor is greek or >latine. What do you think i mean by it's not a modern language? The fact that in Arabic instead of saying Paris Gallery they say Qallery Baris or instead of S:t petersburg they say S:t Bitersburq this is why arabic is uggly and not a modern language. >>There for it is clear thatit is slowly destroying persian and the Tazis are loving it. > >NO profe of this at all Oh no? For the love of god just look around yourself. >>And yes i belive persian soldiers was much more civilized then the arabs. The people of >>those countries was allowed to >>practice their own religion. This >>is thx too the Zoroastrianism >>PEACEFULL religion. > >The Persian believe by allowing the >other cutlers to practice what >they believed they would be >easier to administer. This makes >good tactic, let us not >forget the Greek, Roman, British >etc changed the culture of >a nation to insure complete >subjugation hence their ability to >rule even when they left >that country. > The impact on the culture >of the other counties are >deported, to such an extent >that it is present in >modern day. >The Persian ruled over Egypt and >their is no long lasting >impact on the culture language >and administration system. The Greeks >came changed most thing and >even to this day their >presence is felt. The Egyptian >look at the period of >their history with more pride >then they do when compared >with Persian rule. > >Any one who think that an >empire is created though peaceful >solders is completely talking out >of there hat, this notion >an empire crated though peaceful >solders is an oxymoron. > > > >>About the incursion of American culture in other cultures. If youre >>talking about MTV & Hollywood, I don't think they are >>american but more western. I don't think western culture & >>Persian are that far apart anyway. > >I live in the UK so >it is comparing British culture >with that of the US, >Where the US leads Briton >will follow with a lag >time of 10 year. The >culture of mainland Europe is >different to that of UK >and they are more resistant >as their language is not >English. >So please don’t give ma any >nonsense that it is MTV > for the kids, I >am talking of culture not >pop music. > > > >>The youth of Iran can only chose between westernization or arabization, >>what would you choose? well i would certainley not choose arabization. > >I don’t think you living in >Europe can be the spoke >person for the Iranian youth. >The Youth of any country >will chose a culture that >they want irrespective of their >parents or government chose. That >is the nature of the >rebellious nature of being a >youth. Well think again. Im the Iranian youth, you arent. I may live in Europe but i live in Iran 3 months a year. I think youre the one not able to be a spoke person for Iranians in common. Howcome the youth of Sweden can choose how they wan't to be without being forced to a way of lifestyke? beacuse Theyre free to chose. The Iranian can only chose between westernization & arabization. Of course they would choose the way that gives them more freedom. And not arabization that the regime is trying to fore on them. >The Persian culture is >>superior every other culture for >>me, the fact that the >>fighter against the arab invasion >>(babak xorramedin)'s wife Banou fought >>by his side when arab >>women where hidding in their >>tents afraid to be seen >>only proves that our culture >>is better. >> >I had female family member of >mine fight in the front >line against Iraqi solders some >died some injured. One thing >they say out loud and >with pride wiliest others ran >from Iran we fought for >it, know the hard work >is done you from Europe >and the US are telling >us how iron should be >ruled and run., go home >fahrangi. I believe you may >have come across this if >not then you have not >come in contact with those >that fought for their country. What do you mean you from europe? my family may have moved to europe but that was in 1988 after the war, they didn't flee the war they fleed the Islamic hellhole (republic). And how can you think that you are any better? aren't you living in europe too? >wiliest others ran from Iran we fought for it. Yes, i have relatives who fought for Iran. If you didn't run from it then why are you living in England? Huh. You go home "farhangi" or should i say "dahati"? >>No we can't change the past. > >We agree on one thing > > >>but we can change our language. it's easy to cleanse out the arabic words & >>neccesary so that in 60 years our language will be Parsi again not, not Farsi >>a Iranian dialect of arabic... >Persia is Greek name for us >and Farsi is the Arabic >name for US. What is >our true name. >As you are against Arabisation of >Persian language, I am against >all foreignization of our language. The true name of Iran is Persia named after the the people Parsia. But Parths and Madhs is also called Persians now. Arabs simply can't say Pars so they say Fars.But since we can say Pars and Parsi That is our name! >For any one to think that >Farsi is a dialect of >Arabic, they have truly lost >the plot and sold their >language, what it you that >sated that only 35% of >Farsi is Arabic. >The English language is made up >of all other languages and >is an international language, what >do you think this says >about keeping the language pure? I said that if the arabization was to continue in this speed in 60 yrs farsi will be another dialect of Arabic.
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61. "RE: Dont live in the past "
Posted by Dr.Amir on 01-Nov-04, 12:27 PM (GMT)
>>Having read european history for along time. can say without hesitation that Greeks & Romans where much more cultivated than arabs ever has been I believe you need to read a bit more European history objectively. Re: of course you do. In University they teach far more than what is glossed over in schools, if you go and ask any eminent historian of Greek history they will inform you more. For example Alexander the dictator, who proclaimed himself as a god, kept a few noble men to rule over the Persian masses and disseminated all Persian that apposed him ruthlessly. The roman with the use of brute force both in the ambithertore and by their soldiers subdued any one that apposed them. Irani you really need to read more about Greek history, not the high Scholl version. >In what way were they the same since bouth had different >legal and administrative as well as religion. Persian believed in >monolithic religion, ie one god, whilst the Greeks were polylithic >and used lots of goods. RE: I find it Insulting to compare Zorastrims to Islam. Zorastrims is the ground for all the tre major religions. Zoroastrians believes in one god but in the same time they belive in goddeses (i.e. anahita) Irani do understand what monolithic means, by your reply above it appears you don’t, it means in the belief of the on god. The Greek believed in more than one, the zorestanians believed in the one god. So when the Greeks came along and destroyed Persian library and killed the zorestanian priests they also helped in the subjugation of Persians. >>I personally don't think that those French/English words" are even half as uggly as the Arabic.Since when does a longuage become ugly, or is it only when you disagree with the >political system? Re: since when is arabic a language? You’re just being childish with this question RE: There is a simple reason for their existence: Persian is a Indo-European language. Arabic is a semitic & Afro-Asian as some calls it, there should be clear difference between Arabic & Persian. It's important to >>prevent that Persian too becomes a Afro-Asian language! > >Are we going down the road of racism? by trying to >distinguish the world through the view point of geographic race established by the west then you secome to all its fallings. What you forget is the one of the great kings of Iran married a Jew a Semitic person. She was named sera she apparently had a lot of influence on the king. You may find a Semitic Jew and ask to read all the books they have on her, it may appear that the Semitic have had an influence on the culture of Persia before Islam. >It is also worth noting that Persian were also trades men and in their trade they came contact not just with the west but also east, like china, that also has a lot off influence on culture. Foe example the word bibi ( daddy) it is the same for the chins as it is for the Persian. RE: It's totaly unneccesary to cleanse out those few turkish/mongol & other words, specially when Arabic stands for 35% of the vocabulary. I said nothing about racism nor something bad about semitics, as son as semitic is mentioned it don't have to be about rasist, In Iran the turcks are the but of all jokes, as I think its raciest to say these jokes I also think what you stated is also raciest. You seem to justify every thing as long as it is against the present regime in Iran. Re: Am i the one that are an european or is it you? Expand I don’t understand what your trying to say RE: I have nothing against Israelis or Arabs they are the ones who don't accept each others. From you comments you seem to have a lot against Arabs as a race. Remember the Egyptian when under Persian rule did nothing to help Persian when the Greeks came along do you hate them? >The Mullahs are trying hard to destroy our languages. They have changed the grammar of text in newspapers & the Iranian Tv so badly a first grader could read the newspapers before -79 and understand it clearly. Nowdays she/he won't get half of it!. If this is the case then why are they trying to replace all non persian word with persian? RE: Oh are they really? or they just replacing them with long and difficult sentences? at the same they have changed the words and grammer of school books to Arabic ones. So let me get this right, you have just accepted that words are being changed to long sentence because their is no equivalent Persian word for it. My experience with the youth of Iran as well as my friends are that they use English words in places where their is an existing Persian word for it. So much for keeping the Persian language alive! >So Even if the arab language was influented by Aramic wich was a language divided in eastern & western dialects, it is still a uggly language, i have a friend that speak syirac wich is a form of aramic. even if it has influented the Arabic it probably have influented in those places it was spoken mostly The noth western ME. Aramic has also influenced Hebrew, still it clearly diffrences from persian or arabic. >> > >Your hatered of the regime in >Iran seems to have created >a lot of hate for >a language, if the rgime >in Iran was japonise and >you did not like it >would it mean that you >would hate japonise. I think >it would. RE: Arabic has been destroying our language longer then 25 yrs but that was slowly changing before the revolution. but now it's going faster then ever. If the Regime of Iran would have been japanese i might have hated that too. You just cant seem to get it that it is the hate you have the destroyer what you love RE: Or maybe i wouldn't even you can see the difference between Japan & Saudi Arabia. Ask a Korean about japonies then you may understand yourself a little bit mnore >>If Aramic was a language was common for people in the >>ME, that used it so they could interact with eachother that was great. if only it still was like thi s. But Arabic will never be used >>like that. Arabic is nota modern language it doesn't >even have the alphabet letters >> > >I dont undrestand what you are >trying to get at, what >do you mean it is >not a modern language? Persian >is not a modern language >either nor is greek or >latine. What do you think i mean by it's not a modern language? The fact that in Arabic instead of saying Paris Gallery they say Qallery Baris or instead of S:t petersburg they say S:t Bitersburq this is why arabic is uggly and not a modern language. You still don’t make sense, Urdu has more alphabets then Farsi and Arabic it also happens to be much younger language then Arabic and Persian , so what does it say >>There for it is clear thatit is slowly destroying persian and the Tazis are loving it. > >NO profe of this at all Re: Oh no? For the love of god just look around yourself. You have not proved any thing other then the extent of your hatred, you need to provide far more evidence then you have sofar. >>And yes i belive persian soldiers was much more civilized then the arabs. The people of hose countries was allowed to practice their own religion. This is thx too the Zoroastrianism PEACEFULL religion. >The Persian believe by allowing the >other cutlers to practice what >they believed they would be >easier to administer. This makes >good tactic, let us not >forget the Greek, Roman, British >etc changed the culture of >a nation to insure complete >subjugation hence their ability to >rule even when they left >that country. > The impact on the culture >of the other counties are >deported, to such an extent >that it is present in >modern day. >The Persian ruled over Egypt and >their is no long lasting >impact on the culture language >and administration system. The Greeks >came changed most thing and >even to this day their >presence is felt. The Egyptian >look at the period of >their history with more pride >then they do when compared >with Persian rule. > I will reiterate : Any one who think that an empire is created though peaceful solders is completely talking out of there hat, this notion an empire crated though peaceful solders is an oxymoron. >>About the incursion of American culture in other cultures. If youre talking about MTV & Hollywood, I don't think they are >>american but more western. I don't think western culture & >>Persian are that far apart anyway. > >I live in the UK so >it is comparing British culture >with that of the US, >Where the US leads Briton >will follow with a lag >time of 10 year. The >culture of mainland Europe is >different to that of UK >and they are more resistant >as their language is not >English. >So please don’t give ma any >nonsense that it is MTV > for the kids, I >am talking of culture not >pop music. > > > >>The youth of Iran can only chose between westernization or arabization, >>what would you choose? well i would certainley not choose arabization. > >I don’t think you living in >Europe can be the spoke >person for the Iranian youth. >The Youth of any country >will chose a culture that >they want irrespective of their >parents or government chose. That >is the nature of the >rebellious nature of being a >youth. RE: Well think again. Im the Iranian youth, you arent. I may live in Europe but i live in Iran 3 months a year. I think youre the one not able to be a spoke person for Iranians in common. It is the quality of time one spends in Iran that matters, not the quantity. What you may obtain in 3 months some may obtain in a day. RE : Howcome the youth of Sweden can choose how they wan't to be without being forced to a way of lifestyle? because Theyre free to chose.The Iranian can only chose between westernization & arabization. Of course they would choose the way that gives them more freedom. And not arabization that the regime is trying to fore on them. Who about creating a cutler of their own, rather then copy an Arab or a western one. This is also a possibility or are you incapable of grasping this notion? >The Persian culture is >>superior every other culture for >>me, the fact that the >>fighter against the arab invasion >>(babak xorramedin)'s wife Banou fought >>by his side when arab >>women where hidding in their >>tents afraid to be seen >>only proves that our culture >>is better. >> >I had female family member of >mine fight in the front >line against Iraqi solders some >died some injured. One thing >they say out loud and >with pride wiliest others ran >from Iran we fought for >it, know the hard work >is done you from Europe >and the US are telling >us how iron should be >ruled and run., go home >fahrangi. I believe you may >have come across this if >not then you have not >come in contact with those >that fought for their country. What do you mean you from europe? my family may have moved to europe but that was in 1988 after the war, they didn't flee the war they fleed the Islamic hellhole (republic). And how can you think that you are any better? aren't you living in europe too? >wiliest others ran from Iran we fought for it. Yes, i have relatives who fought for Iran. If you didn't run from it then why are you living in England? Huh. You go home "farhangi" or should i say "dahati"? I did not run from it at all when I left Iran. Iran was at peace and no sight of any one invading, then when the revolution occurred and Saddam Hussein invade my family home was destroyed by the Iraqi’s and I lost contact with my family for 8 years. SO when my family and family friends tell me that thy fought for their country their is not much I cant say in retune. My family like all Iranians did do their duty by completing their military service, but they still went to the front line after their military service and act that I am very proud off. Yet again you did not understand what I had said Yes I do get called Farhangi, mainly by dahati’s Re: The true name of Iran is Persia named after the the people Parsia. But Parths and Madhs is also called Persians now. Arabs simply can't say Pars so they say Fars.But since we can say Pars and Parsi That is our name! The word Persian is derived from Greek, look it up in Greek history. I will reiterate aging: For any one to think that Farsi is a dialect of Arabic, they have truly lost the plot and sold their language. The English language is made up of all other languages and is an international language, what do you think this says about keeping the language pure?. A language is enriched as it evolves. Arabic is a dialects of Persian language not the other way round
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52. "RE: Dont live in the past "
Posted by Rostam on 29-Oct-04, 07:25 PM (GMT)
I will keep it short & sweet and to the point From I have read so far, it shows Dr Amir is one of many IRI sponsored students (dahatis- who have benefited from this regime, there are hundreds of these students like him in London and major cities in the UK) who has decided to stay here and get their monthly allowance; at the same time drum up support and justify the genocide that is happening against defenceless Iranian people. Gradually transforming Iran into a Tazi state and selling our mothers and sisters to Tazi paedophiles and if anybody says anything call it Mohareb (against god) and hanged them You don’t find a single family in Iran or outside who has not lost a close family member in Iran-Iraq war. Stop using the patriotic game nobody will but it here. You prolonged the war in order to justify your stay in power. Otherwise Iranian people would have kicked you out long time ago. To put it plainly Dr Amir; I and majority of true Persians (Iranians) can’t stand tazis and their shity language and their religion. Call it whatever you like. Call me racist or not. I’m not bothered. Of course Iranians are different to Tazis in every possible way Give Iranian the choice and I would tell you which way the will go. None of us are here through choice but out of necessity Long live Iran
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53. "RE: Dont live in the past "
Posted by FOSI on 30-Oct-04, 01:48 AM (GMT)
Amir , is this true?
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54. "RE: Dont live in the past "
Posted by FOSI on 30-Oct-04, 01:21 PM (GMT)
Amir,do you recieve money or sponorship from the Islamic rebuplic of Iran or Iran state programs?please answer truthfully as it will help people to know where you stand on related issues.
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55. "RE: Dont live in the past "
Posted by Rostam on 31-Oct-04, 04:30 PM (GMT)
It seems I’ve hit the nail on the head with regards to Dr Amir (no where to be seen). I’m surprised nobody read between the lines. He has made many comments on many issues and nobody figured out where he stands I have one word of advice for my Persian (Iranian) compatriots. Don’t let people like him, Tazi Parasts or Tazi descendants (pervert and paedophile mullahs and their brothers in Tazi countries) to misdirect you from your true roots. Remember Persian’s number one enemy are Tazis and their shity religion. This is a cancerous disease it MUST be eradicated from this land (i.e. Iran) One Day .....
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56. "RE: Dont live in the past "
Posted by FOSI on 31-Oct-04, 07:33 PM (GMT)
Iran could be a great "free" nation if you could get rid of the shit religion that rules there government and makes the laws. why don't the people of Iran rebel against the stupid Islamics that run the country?do they suport it ,are they scared of it? WHY!!
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57. "RE: Dont live in the past "
Posted by FOSI on 31-Oct-04, 08:02 PM (GMT)
reply Amir ,I know you are watching
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60. "RE: Dont live in the past "
Posted by Dr.Amir on 01-Nov-04, 10:02 AM (GMT)
If only people could understand that one time diffrence between the UK and other countries is diffrent and that ones presence on this sight is dependent on the time restrainets on me due to work loade. I do not post any thing at week ends holidays wedding, funerals.
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59. "RE: Dont live in the past "
Posted by Dr.Amir on 01-Nov-04, 09:53 AM (GMT)
I was like a hand full of people in The UK before the revolution commenced. The funding from my family was stopped and like so many Iranian people in the UK, we were forced to go to the local park and catch duck and pigeons for your food. I struggled from the age of nine to get an education in the UK and managed to do so, I was sponsored by the British government and not the Iranian government. People like rostam and Irani have so much hate that they cant even see that they are projecting the same hatred depicted to them back. Irani action can be explained by youthful folly, as he does not yet appreciate that it is the quality of time one spend that matters not the quantity. I my not be a youth from what I have seen most Iranian youths still live at home and have not got a job even when thy are 30 years old. I also know of gangsters that prevent free enterprise, as this has prevented my youthful family members from initiating enterprise. I am not deluded about what goes on in Iran, however I am not delude about the youth of Iran either. I have a friend that is and was a communist in Iran; he received money from IRI and did his PhD whilst i was doing mine. I did not think any less of his argument because of it. Do you have the mental fortitude? Do you have the mental fortitude to do the same, or are you a typical Iranian that is incapable of lessening to some one else that does not agree with you wilht out coming up will base less assumptions. From your comments I don’t think you have the fortitude to do so. I have said it in the past and will say it again, I am neither with you nor against you. If Iranians are to go forward then they need to reduce the level of hate towards the people that disagree with, living in the past as it seems the case fro Irani and Rostam, will prevent you from going forward. >It seems I’ve hit the nail >on the head with regards >to Dr Amir (no where >to be seen). I’m surprised >nobody read between the lines. >He has made many comments >on many issues and nobody >figured out where he stands > > >I have one word of advice >for my Persian (Iranian) compatriots. >Don’t let people like him, >Tazi Parasts or Tazi descendants >(pervert and paedophile mullahs and >their brothers in Tazi countries) >to misdirect you from your >true roots. > >Remember Persian’s number one enemy are >Tazis and their shity religion. >This is a cancerous disease >it MUST be eradicated from >this land (i.e. Iran) > >One Day ..... > >Remember Persian’s number one enemy are >Tazis and their shity religion. >This is a cancerous disease >it MUST be eradicated from >this land (i.e. Iran) It was a Persian that guided the Greeks in defeating my ancestors, or are you part Greek. It was a Persian that that tough the Arabs Persian military tactics. It was Persian that thought Arabs grammar It was Iranian that guided the moguls through the deserts to attack Iran. It was an Iranian that helped saddum Hussein guide his missiles on Iranian targets. Most misguided individuals such as your self will always blame other but not yourself., when will you people take responsibility for your own action and rectify it. As some one who is a zorestanian then you should understand the carving in persolice, the one where the king is killing a beast with the head of a lion tale of a scorpion etc. The is the enemy with your safe, i.e. all the bad thing an individual does. So to put it Persians number one enemy is Persian that work for others and not Persian.
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63. "RE: Dont live in the past "
Posted by Irani on 01-Nov-04, 01:54 PM (GMT)
> >I was like a hand full >of people in The UK >before the revolution commenced. >The funding from my family was >stopped and like so many >Iranian people in the UK, >we were forced to go >to the local park and >catch duck and pigeons for >your food. >I struggled from the age of >nine to get an education >in the UK and managed >to do so, I was >sponsored by the British government >and not the Iranian government. WELL, bohoo don't you think that this is the real fact for most Iranians? you're not the only one who has had this sort of problems. >People like rostam and Irani have >so much hate that they >cant even see that they >are projecting the same hatred >depicted to them back. >Irani action can be explained by >youthful folly, as he does >not yet appreciate that it >is the quality of time >one spend that matters not >the quantity. >I my not be a youth >from what I have seen >most Iranian youths still live >at home and have not >got a job even when >thy are 30 years old. No youre not the youth. but 70% of Iranians are under 25. We are the future of this country not you! Most Iranians wan't their own personall freedom. Some express their thought openly some don't. But the majority know that this Islamic Hellhole is wrong deep inside. >I also know of gangsters that >prevent free enterprise, as this >has prevented my youthful family >members from initiating enterprise. I >am not deluded about what >goes on in Iran, however >I am not delude about >the youth of Iran either. You can read & read & keep on reading. It's another fact to be a youth & really know the feeling. >I have a friend that is >and was a communist in >Iran; he received money from >IRI and did his PhD >whilst i was doing mine. >I did not think any >less of his argument because >of it. Do you have >the mental fortitude? Well you should have had! Iranians living in Iran have problems to get in to universitys inside Iran. And then they have supported him/her (probably him) to go to England for his studies? I know i would have give him some of my mind. This is just more hipocrasy from the IR. It's like they themselves wan't to prevent the Iranians to move tpo europe or us even though they have all studied there themselves. The have sch a dubbel standard. They do all these "forbidden" things themselves & then tries to brainwash others not to! >Do you have the mental fortitude >to do the same, or >are you a typical Iranian >that is incapable of lessening >to some one else that >does not agree with you >wilht out coming up will >base less assumptions. >From your comments I don’t think >you have the fortitude to >do so. > > >I have said it in the >past and will say it >again, I am neither with >you nor against you. >If Iranians are to go forward >then they need to reduce >the level of hate towards >the people that disagree with, >living in the past as >it seems the case fro >Irani and Rostam, will prevent >you from going forward. Yes leave hate. but it's hard to leave hate when its running you. I will forgive & forget about the past when it is no longer bothering me. The IR is bothering me therefore i can not forgive nor forget. >>It seems I’ve hit the nail >>on the head with regards >>to Dr Amir (no where >>to be seen). I’m surprised >>nobody read between the lines. >>He has made many comments >>on many issues and nobody >>figured out where he stands >> >> >>I have one word of advice >>for my Persian (Iranian) compatriots. >>Don’t let people like him, >>Tazi Parasts or Tazi descendants >>(pervert and paedophile mullahs and >>their brothers in Tazi countries) >>to misdirect you from your >>true roots. >> >>Remember Persian’s number one enemy are >>Tazis and their shity religion. >>This is a cancerous disease >>it MUST be eradicated from >>this land (i.e. Iran) >> >>One Day ..... > >> >>Remember Persian’s number one enemy are >>Tazis and their shity religion. >>This is a cancerous disease >>it MUST be eradicated from >>this land (i.e. Iran) > >It was a Persian that guided >the Greeks in defeating >my ancestors, or are you >part Greek. >It was a Persian that that >tough the Arabs Persian military >tactics. >It was Persian that thought Arabs >grammar >It was Iranian that guided the >moguls through the deserts >to attack Iran. >It was an Iranian that helped >saddum Hussein guide his missiles >on Iranian targets. Woooaaw, im so amazed by these almost intresting facts. Non of this justifies the Tazis >Most misguided individuals such as your >self will always blame >other but not yourself., when >will you people take responsibility >for your own action and >rectify it. If this was to me; how can i take responsibillity for things i haven't done? >As some one who is a >zorestanian then you should understand >the carving in persolice, the >one where the king is >killing a beast with the >head of a lion tale >of a scorpion etc. The >is the enemy with your >safe, i.e. all the >bad thing an individual does. > >So to put it Persians number >one enemy is Persian that >work for others and not >Persian.
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64. "RE: Dont live in the past "
Posted by Dr.Amir on 01-Nov-04, 04:09 PM (GMT)
RE: WELL, bohoo don't you think that this is the real fact for most Iranians? you're not the only one who has had this sort of problems. Well boohoo to you too, what the hell does boohoo achieve. My response was in reply to some jack ass how said I was in the pay of a government of Iran. Their you go of at a tangent gain. Re:No youre not the youth. but 70% of Iranians are under 25. We are the future of this country not you! Most Iranians wan't their own personall freedom. Some express their thought openly some don't. But the majority know that this Islamic Hellhole is wrong deep inside. No I may not be a youth, but yes I know what it is to be a youth I was one. Having manage to grow up and get an education it gives a different prospective then a spoilt chilled, which you are begin to sound like. By the way bohoo >I also know of gangsters that >prevent free enterprise, as this >has prevented my youthful family >members from initiating enterprise. I >am not deluded about what >goes on in Iran, however >I am not delude about >the youth of Iran either. RE: You can read & read & keep on reading. It's another fact to be a youth & really know the feeling. What does this have to what I said, if you are the type that does not understand and extrapolate what you have red then an education my be wasted upon you. >I have a friend that is >and was a communist in >Iran; he received money from >IRI and did his PhD >whilst i was doing mine. >I did not think any >less of his argument because >of it. Do you have >the mental fortitude? RE: Well you should have had! Iranians living in Iran have problems to get in to universitys inside Iran. And then they have supported him/her (probably him) to go to England for his studies? I know i would have give him some of my mind. Point 1) MY friend the communist is still living in the UK, he never went back. Point two) Just because he was a communist and talked money from IRI, it did not diminish in any way his argument for or against any thing. When I said Do you have the mental fortitude?, it meant are you able to understand it does not matter what and where he gets his money it is the strengthen of his argument that mattered. I don’t rely think you have the mental fortitude to understand this> RE: This is just more hipocrasy from the IR. It's like they themselves wan't to prevent the Iranians to move to Europe or us even though they have all studied there themselves. The have such a dubbel standard. They do all these "forbidden" things themselves & then tries to brainwash others not to! Since you did not understand what was said previously, then what you have stated makes no sence. RE: Yes leave hate. but it's hard to leave hate when its running you. I will forgive & forget about the past when it is no longer bothering me. The IR is bothering me therefore i cannot forgive nor forget. If you can not understand that the hate you have will only bread hate, not for this generation but the next then your future will always be bleak. There is nothing that can justify your hate, it will place you in the same situation as Mr Saddam Hussein and bin-ladin. >It was a Persian that guided >the Greeks in defeating >my ancestors, or are you >part Greek. >It was a Persian that that >tough the Arabs Persian military >tactics. >It was Persian that thought Arabs >grammar >It was Iranian that guided the >moguls through the deserts >to attack Iran. >It was an Iranian that helped >saddum Hussein guide his missiles >on Iranian targets. Woooaaw, im so amazed by these almost intresting facts. Non of this justifies the Tazis So what you are saying that its okay, to have helped saddam Hussein. Its okay to have helped the Greek, the Turk and the moguls in defeating Iran. All these acts are okay because it is not as bad as what the Arab have done. Wooaaww, you be beater off going to camp ASHraf and helping those that what to topple the present regime in Iran, and good luck . >Most misguided individuals such as your >self will always blame >other but not yourself., when >will you people take responsibility >for your own action and >rectify it. RE: If this was to me; how can i take responsibility for things i haven't done? If you love your country get a University education in Europe and take back to iran what is the best in the world and not what is the worst. Hate is universally accepted as being bad, not take it to a country that has so much in it already. I stand by this statement: As some one who is a zorestanian ( I meant rostam) then you should understand the carving in persolice, the one where the king is killing a beast with the head of a lion tale of a scorpion etc. The is the enemy with your safe, i.e. all the bad thing an individual does. So to put it Persians number one enemy is Persian that work for others and not Persian. Thank you for replying
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58. "RE: Dont live in the past "
Posted by Dr.Amir on 01-Nov-04, 09:41 AM (GMT)
I was like a hand full of people in The UK before the revolution commenced. The funding from my family was stopped and like so many Iranian people in the UK, we were forced to go to the local park and catch duck and pigeons for your food. Some time back you asked me, how I felt when people called me a traitor or a Jew because I did not agree with then. Well its not fanatic IRI supporters that call me a traitor it is also the fanatics on the other sides. People like rostam and Irani have so much hate that they cant even see that they are projecting the same hatred depicted to them back. Irani action can be explained by youthful folly, as he does not yet appreciate that it is the quality of time one spend that matters not the quantity. I my not be a youth from what I have seen most Iranian youths still live at home and have not got a job even when thy are 30 years old. I also know of gangsters that prevent free enterprise, as this has prevented my youthful family members from initiating enterprise. I am not deluded about what goes on in Iran, however I am not delude about the youth of Iran either. I have a friend that is and was a communist in Iran; he received money from IRI and did his PhD whilst i was doing mine. I did not think any less of his argument because of it. Do you have the mental fortitude? Do you have the mental fortitude to do the same, or are you typical Iranian that is incapable of lessening to some one else that does not agree with you wilt out coming up will base less assumptions. From your comments I don’t think you have the fortitude to do so. >Amir,do you recieve money or sponorship >from the Islamic rebuplic of >Iran or Iran state programs?please >answer truthfully as it will >help people to know where >you stand on related issues. I have said it in the past and will say it again, I am neither with you nor against you. If Iranians are to go forward then they need to reduce the level of hate towards the people that disagree with, living in the past as it seems the case fro Irani and Rostam, will prevent you from going forward.
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62. "RE: Dont live in the past "
Posted by Dr.Amir on 01-Nov-04, 12:38 PM (GMT)
It was people like you that sold Iran in the 1970's whit your belovid It was people like you that sold Iran, by supporting any one that agreed with you and then finally finding out that they were not rely with you: These are the royalist, the Marxist the Hezbollah and any tom dick and Harry offshoots of these people. Did you like the Marxist that are in Iraq support any one that will remove a regime that you dint like? Or are you one of those people, that support the subjugation of true Persians when the Europeans and US were in Iran, because they didn’t have your religion. You are a typical wanabe Iranian that can support your argument with fact, you just revert to name calling as means to justify what you stand for. From your comments you stand for Jack and that is why you run to any tom dick and Harry >I will keep it short & >sweet and to the point > >From I have read so far, >it shows Dr Amir is >one of many IRI sponsored >students (dahatis- who have benefited >from this regime, there are >hundreds of these students like >him in London and major >cities in the UK) who >has decided to stay here >and get their monthly allowance; >at the same time drum >up support and justify the >genocide that is happening against >defenceless Iranian people. > > >Gradually transforming Iran into a Tazi >state and selling our mothers >and sisters to Tazi paedophiles >and if anybody says anything >call it Mohareb (against god) >and hanged them > >You don’t find a single family >in Iran or outside who >has not lost a close >family member in Iran-Iraq war. >Stop using the patriotic game >nobody will but it here. >You prolonged the war in >order to justify your stay >in power. Otherwise Iranian people >would have kicked you out >long time ago. > >To put it plainly Dr Amir; >I and majority of true >Persians (Iranians) can’t stand tazis >and their shity language and >their religion. Call it whatever >you like. Call me racist >or not. I’m not bothered. > Of course Iranians >are different to Tazis in >every possible way > >Give Iranian the choice and I >would tell you which way >the will go. None of >us are here through choice >but out of necessity > >Long live Iran
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65. "RE: Dont live in the past "
Posted by Rostam on 01-Nov-04, 08:38 PM (GMT)
I can’t be bothered to answer you point by point, some of your comments don’t make sense, I’ll reply back in a paragraph or two. First of all I am not a Zoarastian and if I was I would proudly say so, Rostam is my real name and it is a refection of my heritage. My parents had more sense NOT to name me after a Tazi. Can you make your mind up whether you worked your way to an education or were you sponsored by the British Government or your parents financed you or you managed to get money from the IRI. I can bet it is latter one. You did all this from the age of 9 and you were also destitute, child protection was nowhere to be seen. What a lot of bull shit. Oooh come off it. Tell somebody who does not know anything about the country. The story of ducks and pigeons is blown out of proportion, you may ask why; because you were used to cheap dollar conversion courtesy Shah of Iran and his government. Most of student’s incomes were reinstated as long as you were studying and turned up for praying First of all at least there was a government in Iran who created an opportunity for Iranian citizens (like you) to travel around the world with out hindrance; as a consequence of that you had an opportunity to come and educate yourself. What about the next generation of young Iranian. Don’t they have any aspirations and ambitions? Don't they deserve to be free, and not to be ruled by a foreign body who doesn’t give f*** about Iranian welfare With regards to my position I am all for Persians unlike other people. At least I know my roots, what about you?
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66. "RE: Dont live in the past "
Posted by Dr.Amir on 02-Nov-04, 09:29 AM (GMT)
>RE: I can’t be bothered to answer you point by point, some of your comments don’t make sense, I’ll reply back in a paragraph or two. > This is probably why you jump to the wrong conclusion. RE:First of all I am not a Zoarastian and if I was I would proudly say so, Rostam is my real name and it is a refection of my heritage. My parents had more sense NOT to name me after a Tazi. So your telling me that you’re a wana be, a name is a name and their is nothing wrong with any one’s name. You however seem to think that there is. RE: Can you make your mind up whether you worked your way to an education or were you sponsored by the British Government or your parents financed you or you managed to get money from the IRI. I can bet it is latter one. Their you go again making ill defined assumptions that turn out to be completely wrong. I shall say it in simple words that even you can understand. I came to the UK before the revolution my parent were able to send money to me. When the revolution and the war started they could not send ma any money. Have got this so far as these two point refer to two separate event in time. In the interim got pigeons and ducks from the park this occurred for two years. No chilled protection agencies were involved, as I was a foreign student. Do you have the brainpower to comprehend this so far. The international red cross got involved to fined my family and they could not as some of your friends that did not like the present regime, helped sadam Hussein destroy my parents home , I believe you may know the place if not then ask your friends in camp ASHraf, it was called Koramshar. I was granted leave to stay in the UK after being threatened deportation, as a result I became a home student in the UK and thus entitled me to grants. Have you got it so far . All of these events started when I was 9 years of age living with a single brother that was 13 years of age. Like true Persian we survived . > RE: You did all this from the age of 9 and you were also destitute, child protection was nowhere to be seen.What a lot of bull shit. Oooh come off it.Tell somebody who does not know anything about the country. The only bull shit that occurs hear is the one you write about , yes it did happened. This was the case for all Iranians during that time. RE:The story of ducks and pigeons is blown out of proportion, you may ask why; because you were used to cheap dollar conversion courtesy Shah of Iran and his government. Most of student’s incomes were reinstated as long as you were studying and turned up for praying First off all you jack ass you don’t know what I believe, for one I don’t believe that their is a god. Second point when the puppet shah left Iran, toman were removed from all major bank and no one was selling or buying the toman. Any one living in the UK at the time would know this, I forgot you only speak of events that you have no knowledge off. RE:First of all at least there was a government in Iran who created an opportunity for Iranian citizens (like you) to travel around the world with out hindrance; as a consequence of that you had an opportunity to come and educate yourself. The moneys we had during the puppet times was through hard fucking work and being what true Persian do best, entrepreneur, some thing people like you would never be able to achieve. People like you always look back and say it was brilliant times when you have no fucking clue, the ire is no such ting as a golden age. What about the next generation of young Iranian. Don’t they have any aspirations and ambitions? Don't they deserve to be free, and not to be ruled by a foreign body who doesn’t give f*** about Iranian welfare From what I have seen off the next generation the only thing I can say is they have not got a clue about working and all they do is wait for the hard working parents to pay their way in life. As Margaret Thatcher said their is no such thing as a free society, get off your ass don’t pay bribes and make a difference. I don’t think you have what it takes to do that. > RE: With regards to my position I am all for Persians unlike other people. At least I know my roots, what about you? Your just another wanabe minority in Iran pretending to Persian, My family history predates the prophet Zartosh Thank you for replying Rostam
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67. "RE: Dont live in the past "
Posted by Irani on 02-Nov-04, 11:19 AM (GMT)
Amir, You may think i'm full of hate. But youre full of shit & bias! I'ts funny that someone who comes from Khuzestan talks about being a true persian. Would you mind telling us about the history of youre family that predates the zardtosht? "From what I have seen off the next generation the only thing I can say is they have not got a clue about working and all they do is wait for the hard working parents to pay their way in life. As Margaret Thatcher said their is no such thing as a free society, get off your ass don’t pay bribes and make a difference. I don’t think you have what it takes to do that." So basically uou think youre better than the rest, beacuse you went to England? The mujahedin has moved out of Ashraf now btw. And everyone who opposes thge goverment don't have to be a member of the MKO.
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68. "RE: Dont live in the past "
Posted by Dr.Amir on 02-Nov-04, 01:39 PM (GMT)
Re:>Amir, You may think i'm full of hate. But youre full of shit & bias! You have just described your self, thank you. > RE: I'ts funny that someone who comes from Khuzestan talks about being a true persian I said my parent’s home in Khuzestan, we had more than one home; I did not mention were in Iran I come from. You jumped to the wrong conclusion again. This appears top be a reoccurring theme from you and rostam. Re: Would you mind telling us about the history of youre family that predates the zardtosht? # If you don’t mined, I rather keep the security of my family and my self, as I stated in past strings that I don’t want hate mails. What I did not mention is that I have received death treats from a lot of Iranian in the UK whom I did not share the same view. These were monarchist, Marxist, Hezbollah and any other offshoot of these people. What I have come across is that with most Iranians is if you don’t accept what they believe your working with the other side. I don’t believe in the exact views that most people hold, their are common themes that I agree with, just because I question you or people like you it doesn’t mean that I work for the other side. If you can not understand this then you have forgotten the basic principles of free speech. > Re: So basically uou think youre better than the rest, because you went to England? Yet again you have missed the point, the point made previously . Is you have to make the change in yourself and then influence others to make the change. Most of my friend in the UK how came and go to Iran state the same thing I have regarding the next generation. RE: And everyone who opposes thge goverment don't have to be a member of the MKO. Some times the only way you can make some one understand is by accuseing them of what they accuse you off. I fully understand and accept that if you appose the government you don’t have to be MKO. The question is why did you and rostam accuse me of being pro Government just because I don’t agree with you or state something that contradict you. What you and rostam have done is typical of Iranian mentality that I have encountered so far,. This is the mined set of people that don’t have a broad view of events but not in-depth knowledge, and when confronted they resort to childish name calling and rhetoric. Thank you for replying >Amir, You may think i'm full >of hate. But youre full >of shit & bias! > >I'ts funny that someone who comes >from Khuzestan talks about being >a true persian. Would you >mind telling us about the >history of youre family that >predates the zardtosht? > >"From what I have seen off >the next generation the only >thing I can say is >they have not got a >clue about working and all >they do is wait for >the hard working parents to >pay their way in life. >As Margaret Thatcher said their >is no such thing as >a free society, get off >your ass don’t pay bribes >and make a difference. I >don’t think you have what >it takes to do that." > > >So basically uou think youre better >than the rest, beacuse you >went to England? >The mujahedin has moved out of >Ashraf now btw. >And everyone who opposes thge goverment >don't have to be a >member of the MKO.
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69. "RE: Dont live in the past "
Posted by Irani on 02-Nov-04, 02:10 PM (GMT)
I wasn't the one who accused you of being an ir puppet. So basiccally it's as wrong as you accusing me of accusing you when i never had accused you. I however disagree with you on serevral points. But i stick to that youre full of bias, It's funny how you accuse Iranians in general of not accepting that people can differ with them without being on the other side. Isn't everyone in the world like this? It's funny how you can say that Iranians are like this, even on this site serveral americans have accused me of being someone who has ex with his sister just beacuse i said that maybe Iranians don't want to move to america. George Bush said either youre with us or against us, didnt he? So there you can see that every one in the world is like this, not only Iranians.
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70. "RE: Dont live in the past "
Posted by Dr.Amir on 02-Nov-04, 03:30 PM (GMT)
RE: I wasn't the one who accused you of being an ir puppet. So basiccally it's as wrong as you accusing me of accusing you when i never had accused you. I however disagree with you on serevral points. If I have mistakenly accused you of some thing you have not done , please accept my apologies. > RE:But i stick to that youre full of bias, It's funny how you accuse Iranians in general of not accepting that people can differ with them without being on the other side. This point was made to me my colleges at work and by some Iranian friends off mine that came to the UK. The people I work with have in the past worked with Iranians, and before you accuse them of being resist that is not the case. Their are some behaviour in people that are more pronounced then others, I have then as well but not to the extent as others. For example you and I are very nationalistic towards Iran, like majority of Iranians our nationalism may be a little bit more then people from other nations. A little of something may be okay but to much may be dangerous. RE: Isn't everyone in the world like this? Maybe but it doesn’t make it right especially when you are at the short end of the stick. Re: It's funny how you can say that Iranians are like this, even on this site serveral americans have accused me of being someone who has ex with his sister just beacuse i said that maybe Iranians don't want to move to america. I accept what you have stated, but don’t you think that they sounded very much like Alnaqi, it is extremisms that breads extremism, I have to admit that with the past couple of string coming back and forth between you , me and rostam my level anger began to increase because I was playing along with the level of anger propelled towards me. Therefore less extremisms and more middle of the road approach. Re: George Bush said either youre with us or against us, didnt he? George bush is a product of the moral majority theology initiated in the 1960 and taken in to the white house with Ronald ragen, where every thing that is against USA is evil and the US is on the side of right and justice and god is on their side. The ‘Talibanization’ of the white is dangerous as the Taliban, I hope you don’t misconstrued in me saying Talibanization as being literally that, what it is meant to mean and paint a picture in your mined is the extremism of people that only think in black and Wight god and evil. RE: So there you can see that every one in the world is likethis, not only Iranians. No you have not demonstrated that every one is like that, need far more then this .Did you not say that the place you live has freedom for the youth, if its true then how can you say every one is like that. Iranians love then or hate them are very passionate about what they believe and accept and it is this potion that makes then what I have mentioned before to be. Thank you for replying Irani, even though I was righting to Rostam.
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71. "RE: Dont live in the past "
Posted by Rostam on 02-Nov-04, 07:47 PM (GMT)
There is one thing I need to remind you of and that is, this is an Iranian Press Service Forums not a Tazi one. You keep visiting the wrong site Oooh here we go again another bull shit. Your family predates the Zoarasta, what a joke. You need to visit a Doctor, doctor I don’t know why I should bother try to explain all this again, but I have to put the record straight so you don’t think you are right You see, you are so damn to understand this simple fact that your name represents who you are and where you are from. By the you are not all that you think you are. There is an old persian proveb and i give you the first couple of words "az khod tarif kardan ........" And again you think you managed to convince me and other people, you and your brother for two years lived off streets at the same time Int Red Cross was involved and even though your had no legal guardian and under age they let you back on the streets. This is another bullshit I have ever come across. Even now that there is so much anti propaganda against refugees in the UK, where the UK/ European government establishes a child is under a legal age and has no legal guardian, social security and welfare gets involved and would be taken into custody. Once he/she gets to a legal age then it gets deported. That is not that difficult to comprehend even for an Arab like you. What are you talking about ???????? Finally I did not mention anything about golden age, whatever it was, it was 100 times better than current government you support right now You deserve those fucking mullahs in Iran. It is match made in heaven I’m not going to waste my time any more on a person who is not an Iranian
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72. "RE: Dont live in the past "
Posted by Irani on 03-Nov-04, 11:02 AM (GMT)
On the note of not being persian; It's funny that we have "allowed" someone who comes from khamene to be our "supreme leader" basically we have a turk in power of all of us!! He probably envy our culture so much that he hates it & want's to destroy it.
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73. "RE: Dont live in the past "
Posted by Dr.Amir on 03-Nov-04, 04:38 PM (GMT)
RE: There is one thing I need to remind you of and that is, this is an Iranian Press Service Forums not a Tazi one. You keep visiting the wrong site So basically you are the judge jury of who is and who is not a Persian. Is this not the behaviour of the present rulers of Iran, Before the revolution you had 36milum people in Iran and every one was the shah in Iran you have 70milum and every one thinks the leader. It is this basic defective attitude by backward individual like you , that once in power ensures dictatorship flourishes. You have the audacity to call me an Arab because of my name, well that is your perceptions of life a very warped one. I believe you are in need of a psychotherapist. > RE: >Oooh here we go again another bull shit. Your family predates the Zoarasta, what a joke. You need to visit a Doctor, doctor Yes most legitimate Persian with true Persian family/name can trace their heritage back. It is only the illegitimate children of foreign solders who call themselves Persian. Yes you are a wanabe, because if you weren’t you would not be so adamant that others that do not have Persian name are not Persian.. As a mater of note Amir is also a Gujarat name from India. > RE: I don’t know why I should bother try to explain all this again, but I have to put the record straight so you don’t think you are right That is what people of your mentality always resort back to, debate and dialogue is not part of your heritage is it, typical off all wanabe Persians. For some one who proclaims to be Persian you don’t seem to take to Persian heritage of debate and dialogue. RE:You see, you are so damn to understand this simple fact that your name represents who you are and where you are from. By the way you are not all that you think you are. To just put you straight what you have just stated implies that all that are named rostam, think like you talk like you and act like you. If this is what your thinking is like then I just am so glad of what we call evolution, and psychology. We are the summation of all our experiences, you whoever are the summation all that is rotten d in Iran. > Re: There is an old persian proveb and i give you the first couple of words >"az khod tarif kardan ........" The problem with people that quote proverbs is one they don’t understand it and two they don’t have the intellectual aptitude to rely discuss the issue at hand and hence use some one else saying to justify their point. You have no point other then hate, hence cant be bothered with dialogue. Re: And again you think you managed to convince me and other people, you and your brother for two years lived off streets at the same time Int Red Cross was involved and even though your had no legal guardian and under age they let you back on the streets. I don’t give a monkey ass if you’re convinced or not, yet again you jump to statement that I have never made. We did not live on the streets; we only got our food from the local park. Who typical of a wanabe Persian to jump and jump to the wrong conclusion, mainly because you cant be bothered to read. Many that is your problem you cant be bothered with any thing other then the hot air that comes out of your backside. Re: This is another bullshit I have ever come across. Even now that there is so much anti propaganda against refugees in the UK, where the UK/ European government establishes a child is under a legal age and has no legal guardian, social security and welfare gets involved and would be taken into custody. Once he/she gets to a legal age then >it gets deported. That is not that difficult to comprehend even for an Arab like you. What are you talking >about ???????? Well you have raised some interesting point, so not just some one full of hot air. From what I have observed of Iranian coming to UK from 1982 to 1989, they were economical migrants not refugees nor were they in the majority of the time political refugee Some of my friends in 1982 gained political asylum because they did not want to do national service, its their choice but they were not political refugees. In 1986 their was a lager influx of Iranian from Iran via the then east Germany, all were predominantly economical refuges as they payeed a lot of money, if they were poor they could not have afford it and some may have had family to help, to get to Europe. Yes I have friend that were tortured and some had a lot of problems in getting to Uk, they in my opinion were true political refugee. A large portion of Iranian I meat, this may not be all Iranian in UK, abused the system and made life difficult for the real refuges. I was the minor at the time my brother was not and he was my guardian, that is who we ensured we were not separated, as any true Persian would know a brother will never allow his family member to be taken away and raised by another, he changed the dates on his passport and they did not notice. As you are not being from the legitimate Persian heritage would not understand the sacrifice a Persian brother makes for his family. Re: Finally I did not mention anything about golden age, whatever it was, it was 100 times better than current government you support right now Yes you did, every time some one takes of the past as being better then the present, they are referring to it as a golden age, it is metaphoric speech, I am sorry I complete forgot you cant be bothered to understand these thing. Re: You deserve those fucking mullahs in Iran. It is match made in heaven I’m not going to waste my time any more on a person who is not an Iranian By your reasoning any one who disagrees with you is not Iranian, you sound just like all extremes that cant discuss any thing in a rational way especially when some one stands up to their hot air out of their backside. From you imbecilic argument, you disserve the CIA, MKO and Sadam Hussein as you supported these people against Iranians to get rid of the government you don’t like. I bet you are a Iraqi bath agent who has lost his master and still using your old tactics to drive a wedge amongst Persians who want to heal the rift in Iranian society and ensure Iranians have less hate and more respect for each other. To finish, I find it unbelievable for wanabe Persian question the legitimacy of true Persians. The more some one question the heritage of others the more obvious it becomes that they have a false heritage. The last person that questioned my heratige was a Card carrying Iraqi Bath’s supporter, the answer they got ensured that they never questioned my heritage if you want I will give that answer to you wana be Persian.
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87. "RE: To all the morons out there. "
Posted by NS on 28-Oct-05, 00:26 AM (GMT)
It is overwhelming to see persians realizing that arabs are responsible for their present status. In the past, islamic invasion in persia created serious damage to the wonderful country. Now after reading so many comments from persian I realize that persians have realized that and I hope they would soon throw away islam. I hope Indians, who are now muslims and blindly following islam learn some lesson from persians and go back to their routes.
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75. "RE: To all the morons out there. "
Posted by MKO Vs. Iraqi Government on 11-May-05, 08:54 AM (GMT)
MKO Vs. Iraqi Government After months of explicit interference in the internal affairs of Iraq and cooperating with pro-saddam elements against Shiites to influence the formation of an Iraqi government, Remnants of terrorist Mojahedin-e Khalq in Camp Ashraf now stand desperately against the new Iraqi government to create unrest in Iraq (like what it did after the revolution of 1979 in Iran) in order to take advantage of the situation. On Thursday, May 6, 2005, 100 Iraqis in Baghdad expressed their support for Mojahedin-e Khalq and started threatening the government of Mr. Ibrahim Al-Jafari under the pretext of request for not expelling this terrorist group. According to the reports of Mojahedin from this gathering, the role of this group as a balancing weight in the strategic formulations in Iraq was underlined and the necessity of uniting with Mojahedin against fundamentalism was stressed. Participants showed the real nature of such gatherings- which is to oppose the formation of Iraqi government and violating the public order- when, in an irrelevant position taking, asked the government to “base the permanent Iraqi constitution on the universal declaration of Human Rights, United Nations treaty, Vienna Treaties, and Paris Treaties, which were the countries that had experimental struggles in getting to democracy.” They said: “practical guarantee for establishing democracy and preventing the violation of human rights and providing political and social rights of Iraqi people is the formation of an anti-fundamentalist democratic front from all democratic and national forces of Iraq and separation of church from the state.” They asked: “regarding to the laws and treaties and international conventions about the rights of refugees, Iraqi government and ruling body should consider the rights of Mojahedin-e Khalq.” MKO’s stand against the formation of Iraqi constitution based on the culture and religion of people is derived from its opposition to Iraqi Muslims, especially the Shiites. This opposition is along the anti-Islamic policies of Israeli government in the region and is certainly supported by hidden hands of Israel in Iraq. Early after the revolution of 1979 in Iran, Mojahedin shouted the slogan of formation of “anti-imperialist unified front”, brought unrest to the society and followed the models of South Yemen, Nicaragua and Libya as the revolutionary models. Now, it’s again bringing unrest under the cover of the slogan of “anti-fundamentalism unified front” and “following the model of United Nations, Paris Treaty and Human Rights.” The main concern of MKO is its expulsion by the Iraqi government. It has now understood that the MKO can’t stop the Iraqi government from banning and expelling them, so it’s trying to create violence and unrest in order to take advantage of the situation.
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77. "RE: To all the morons out there. "
Posted by FOSI on 13-May-05, 04:00 PM (GMT)
Hard to get through to some people,please paste a link to the site to verify information in your lengthy posts and repetitive "copy/paste" arguments.
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78. "RE: To all the morons out there. "
Posted by To all the morons out there. on 16-May-05, 12:43 PM (GMT)
MKO Vs. Iraqi Government After months of explicit interference in the internal affairs of Iraq and cooperating with pro-saddam elements against Shiites to influence the formation of an Iraqi government, Remnants of terrorist Mojahedin-e Khalq in Camp Ashraf now stand desperately against the new Iraqi government to create unrest in Iraq (like what it did after the revolution of 1979 in Iran) in order to take advantage of the situation. On Thursday, May 6, 2005, 100 Iraqis in Baghdad expressed their support for Mojahedin-e Khalq and started threatening the government of Mr. Ibrahim Al-Jafari under the pretext of request for not expelling this terrorist group. According to the reports of Mojahedin from this gathering, the role of this group as a balancing weight in the strategic formulations in Iraq was underlined and the necessity of uniting with Mojahedin against fundamentalism was stressed. Participants showed the real nature of such gatherings- which is to oppose the formation of Iraqi government and violating the public order- when, in an irrelevant position taking, asked the government to “base the permanent Iraqi constitution on the universal declaration of Human Rights, United Nations treaty, Vienna Treaties, and Paris Treaties, which were the countries that had experimental struggles in getting to democracy.” They said: “practical guarantee for establishing democracy and preventing the violation of human rights and providing political and social rights of Iraqi people is the formation of an anti-fundamentalist democratic front from all democratic and national forces of Iraq and separation of church from the state.” They asked: “regarding to the laws and treaties and international conventions about the rights of refugees, Iraqi government and ruling body should consider the rights of Mojahedin-e Khalq.” MKO’s stand against the formation of Iraqi constitution based on the culture and religion of people is derived from its opposition to Iraqi Muslims, especially the Shiites. This opposition is along the anti-Islamic policies of Israeli government in the region and is certainly supported by hidden hands of Israel in Iraq. Early after the revolution of 1979 in Iran, Mojahedin shouted the slogan of formation of “anti-imperialist unified front”, brought unrest to the society and followed the models of South Yemen, Nicaragua and Libya as the revolutionary models. Now, it’s again bringing unrest under the cover of the slogan of “anti-fundamentalism unified front” and “following the model of United Nations, Paris Treaty and Human Rights.” The main concern of MKO is its expulsion by the Iraqi government. It has now understood that the MKO can’t stop the Iraqi government from banning and expelling them, so it’s trying to create violence and unrest in order to take advantage of the situation.
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79. "RE: To all the morons out there. "
Posted by ann on 15-Jun-05, 05:50 PM (GMT)
wow. ignorance is bliss and you just proved it!
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80. "RE: To all the morons out there. "
Posted by FOSI on 15-Jun-05, 10:14 PM (GMT)
yip , he is strong like rock and smart like tree. A link can verify the valitity of said news.and its not hard to do ,for most.
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81. "RE: To all the morons out there. "
Posted by ann on 16-Jun-05, 02:08 AM (GMT)
pardon me? i'm having grammatical issues with your message.
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82. "Autopsy of An Ideological Drift (18)"
Posted by Antoine Gessler on 16-Jun-05, 08:11 AM (GMT)
>wow. ignorance is bliss and you just proved it! Yes you have proved your ignorance. Autopsy of An Ideological Drift (18) Antoine Gessler CHAPTER 17 /The Failure of “Eternal Light” The most ringing defeat suffered by the PMOI was suffered during “Operation Eternal Light”. However, keeping to their propaganda techniques, the Mojahedin have changed it - through the magic of their triumphant press releases -from an objective and obvious loss to an “historic victory”: “On Monday 25 July 1988, the National Liberation Army of Iran launched its greatest offensive under the code name “Eternal Light “. The attack carried the Liberation Army 170 kilometres inside Iran, to the gates of Kermanshah, the largest city in Western Iran. In four days of intense combat, the Liberation Army took on 200,000 members of Khomeini’s forces and all of the regime‘s material reserves and war materiel. The National Liberation Army of Iran liberated the towns of Kerend and Islamabad, destroying enemy bases and fortifications. After having inflicted 55, 000 casualties on the regime including a large number of Corps Commanders of the Revolutionary Guards — the soldiers of the Liberation Army returned their bases along the Iranian frontier. The rapid advance of the National Liberation Army deep into Iranian territory and the resulting battles profoundly shook the regime. Three years later, the mullahs are still talking about its profound impact on society”. (149) In fact, poorly prepared, botched in its execution by militants without real military experience or serious training, the attack died out quickly. Contrary to the self congratulation of the PMOI leaders, the Iranian people never greeted the Mojahedin as liberators and soldiers under Teheran’s orders had little difficulty in pushing them back over the Iraqi border. This is confirmed by the French newsweekly Marianne: “Following the normalisation of relations between Paris and Teheran, the accursed couple, declared persona non grata on French territory, moved to Iraq in June 1986. They were with Iran’s worst enemy, Saddam Hussein. Three years before, in the midst of the Iran-Iraq War, Tariq Aziz, then Vice Prime Minister to Baghdad’s dictator was discreetly invited to Auvers-sur-Oise. The two men raised the issue of their future cooperation. Now it has been concluded. In a few months, Massoud organised his movement militarily, to the point of creating a small army of 15,000 lost soldiers. ‘Advanced bases’ like Camp Al-Ashraf on the Iranian border have been granted by his new allies. They have heavy armaments, armored vehicles and missiles. In exchange for this they collaborate closely with the Iraqi Army’s intelligence services and take part, as well, in the dirty work of the Baathist regime. After the ceasefire between Iran and Iraq in June 1988, Rajavi launched Operation Eternal Light against the Iranian armies, worn out by 8 years of terrible combat. The fiasco is enormous! After having gone 50 kilometers into Iranian territory, the National Liberation Army of Iran (NLAI) was stopped in its advance and cut to pieces. The balance sheet: more than 1500 dead in the Mojahedin forces. This route did not, however, dampen their desire for revenge on the ‘hypocrites’. (150) Washington drew its own conclusions: “The military background of the Mojahedin is limited. The group mounted its most significant incursion in June-July 1988. They participated in an advance coordinated inside Iran with Iraqi forces. During the same offensive, Iraqi units on other fronts used chemical weapons against Iran. The National Liberation Army briefly held the Iranian border towns of Mehran, Karand and I slamabad-e-Gharb. The Mojahedin claimed that they had killed 40,000 Iranians, but other military observers simply confirmed that the Liberation Army had to retreat as soon as Iranian reinforcements arrived”. (151) At this time, the PMOI had seemed to have reached its optimal military strength. But it threw it away by its lack of clarity, failures in planning and in errors that withered the ranks of its supporters. Once again, and forever since, these missed chances have marked the Rajavis’ historical saga. Liberation concluded: “The couple built a system of military camps housing an Army of about 10,000 troops, equipped with heavy armaments, well disciplined and ready for self sacrifice. This was done with financial aid from Saddam and the ‘voluntary’ contributions of thousands of supporters spread throughout the world. Women are half the force and hold most of the positions of command. When the Iraq-Iran War ended, the National Liberation Army of Iran unleashed its own attack. The ‘Eternal Light’ offensive would be a disaster...” (152) Who Is Correct? Certain members of the Mojahedin who participated in this deadly enterprise bear witness, each in their own way: Ali Akbar Rastgou, now living in Germany was an early recruit who worked in the movement’s structure. He was a specialist on activities inside Iran: “I first heard of the PMOI in 1974 when I was a student at Teheran University. I heard of it again in 1976, when I was studying in Germany. There was, at that time, a big confederation of Iranian students abroad. It brought Islamists and Communists under the same umbrella. Until the revolution, the Mojahedin had no real influence. But their support for Khomeini won them a lot of support. We joined up... From then on, I was in charge of liaison with groups on the Left to support the Palestinians and the Nicaraguans. One of the big final attacks had been planned for 1988. Everyone was sent to Iraq. I wanted to liberate my country more than fighting for the Mojahedin. In 1986-87, I ran into the Pasdaran, the Revolutionary Guardians, who captured us. They were peasants, poor people who knew that the country was in peril and that they had to defend it. They were quite correct since we were the ones attacking it. Our tactic was to kill without any discrimination. All you had to do was wear a beard and you were a target for us. Whom was I going to kill? These same poor people... Who was in the right? This a big question I have asked myself and so have many others. We had no right to speak. They told me: ‘You are not yet ‘cleansed’. You do not have Massoud and Maryam in your head”. The offensive did indeed take place and it was a disaster for us. There were many deaths in our ranks. What can you do against airplanes? Some of the young fighters had not been in Iraq for more than a week. Two days before the attack, they gave them a machine gun, even if they had never before seen a weapon. No experience at all. They were confronting Pasdarans who had been tempered in a real war. Our people didn’t have a chance... Given the losses, the leaders needed some of us to go abroad. Since I had experience in Germany, they sent me there. And then I burned my bridges to them. Of course, I am regularly cited as a counter-revolutionary...” (153) Another former member of the PMOI who opted for freedom speaks in the same way: “Haqqe Mani joined the People’s Mojahedin 22 years ago... He criticises Rajavi for having tolerated an unacceptable casualty rate among the Mojahedin in order ‘to attain very limited objectives which, in no way, justified the number of lost lives’. Rajavi, according to this dissident, explained his line as follows: The liquidation of a single supporter of the regime is worth the lives of eight of you. It is a useful sacrifice and good publicity for our movement’. (154) By Moscow and By Baghdad Throughout its presence in Iraq, the PMOI continually denied receiving arms from Saddam Hussein. However, once again, facts are there to show that only the now fallen Raiis could have given his “friends” the materiel and logistical support for their struggle. The American Government is categorical: “Many of the weapons they received were purchased in the Soviet Union. In 1993, a journalist reporting from a Mojahedin base in Iraq saw ‘about’ 35 aging tanks, armoured personnel carriers, Chinese automatic rifles, and Russian multiple rocket launchers”. In May 1988, the New York Times described the Mojahedin forces as “basically a light infantry unit, with Soviet armoured personnel carriers and artillery”. The Mojahedin Army follows Soviet-style tactics. This is a protocol that puts it on the same footing as the Iraqi Army. During the Summer of 1988, while the attack inside Iran was going on, the Iraqis gave the Mojahedin major war booty, including small caliber weapons, motorized artillery, tanks and other arms taken from the Iranian forces. Another reporter who visited the Mojahedin in August 1994 noted that “the arms deployed were... mainly of Russian origin”. He indicated that it was possible that they came from the Iraqi stockpile. That was at the time that the National Liberation Army of Iran claimed that its materiel had all been captured in Iran. However, their limited military means would not have been adequate to such a large seizure. (155) On this subject, a documentary on the France 2 television network is very clear on the origins of the war materiel used by the Mojahedin. In Glowing Coals, a film by Michel Honorin, the camera fully recorded the PMOI bases on the Iranian border. In camouflage uniform, the fighters were training for the final, general offensive, one that never came. They were rolling under barbed wire mesh. “The spikes,” added the narrator, “are a bit masochistic... Men and women, with weapons slung on their backs, parade by, drive tanks and fire cannon...”. (156) The helmets worn are standard Iraqi Army issue. The rest of the materiel shown on the screen is Soviet-made. While the United States provided the Shah with his arms, Moscow sold much of its military production to its ally, Saddam Hussein. The sausage like helmets of the tank crews, the AK-47 Kalashnikov assault rifles, Dashaka machine guns, RPG-7 rocket launchers, the pickup trucks mounted with double-barreled antiaircraft cannon, the BTR troop carriers, Katyusha truck-mounted multiple rocket launchers, the T-72 assault tanks, the MI combat helicopters all came from the USSR. But they certainly came over the Iraqi border. It is hard to imagine that Saddam Hussein would tolerate a parallel arms market in his own country. These are the same kinds of weapons found all over Afghanistan where the resistance used them after taking them from their enemy: the Soviets. Repressing the Kurds Another chapter in their history is no less than a permanent stain on the reputation of Massoud Rajavi’s People’s Mojahedin. They lost respectability from this. Having participated actively in the repression of the Iraqi Kurds, the PMOI can hardly win the confidence of Iran’s Kurds whom that often cite as supporters. The propaganda machine worked overtime to silence assertions dealing with this black page in the PMOI’s record: ‘Defamatory and absurd statements according to which the Mojahedin participated in the Iraqi Kurdistan liquidations ‘have been repeated for 10 years and thousands of times by the Mullahs’ intelligence services. That is why these assertions have no credibility. Moreover in his official letter to the Dutch judicial authorities of July 1999 the international relations official of the Democratic Party of Iraqi Kurdistan underlined that his political group had investigated ‘rumors concerning Mojahedin units aiding Iraqi troops’. These enquiries concluded that ‘no basis in proof and no document permit any confirmation that the Mojahedin had taken part in any hostility against Iraq’s Kurdish population”. (157) Please note that the Democratic Party of Kurdistan, under Massoud Barzani was Saddam Hussein’s ally. Strangely enough, it is this group that provides the defense for the Mojahedin, despite the established facts. Haqqe Mani, a PMOI dissident, knows the reality: “It was at this time that we began our direct military collaboration with the Iraqi Army and the Mojahedin were turned into support troops helping the in the suppression of popular uprisings against Baghdad. This was to prevent the Kurds from driving all the way to the plains around the capital”. (158) The other leader of Iraqi Kurdistan, Jalal Talabani, Chief of the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK) has, for his part, clearly denounced the participation of the PMOI. He declared to reporters that “5,000 members of the Iranian Mojahedin joined forces with Saddam in the battle of Kirkuk”. (159) But, even more clearly, those who took part in the massacres, the soldiers under Massoud Rajavi’s orders have spoken out. They have shared eyewitness accounts: “Mohamed Reza Eskandari, a dissident Mojahedin, now living in Holland as a political refugee was an eyewitness to the movement’s participation in this repression.. .Stationed ill the Sulayman Beg region (near the ‘border’ with Iraqi Kurdistan) where the massacre of civilians took place, he states”: ‘There was an old closed-down rail station which was our base. From this point, we attacked the Kurds, encircling them on three sides. There were eighteen dead Kurds. We buried them right there in a common ditch’. Eskandari also talks about the Mojahedin’s summary executions of unarmed Iraqi deserters and the interrogation of soldiers who had left the front in several Iraqi towns. Eskandari also insists that the People’s Mojahedin handed over to the Iraqi Army and Secret Services all those whose identity papers showed that they were Kurds. The organization had many defectors following these operations: more than 800 fighters became dissidents. This policy was the straw that broke the camel’s back. It was the apogee of the errors committed since the movement moved to Iraq”. (160) This led Liberation conclude that: “In Iran, the Mojahedin have only the capability to carry out terrorist attacks from time to time. In Iraq, they participate in Sad- dam’s repression, notably against the Kurds. Maryam had to leave her exile in Auvers in 1993 to join Massoud. The fall of the Iraqi dictator made her return to France, with twenty senior officials. Paris agreed to this. Massoud himself has disappeared”. (161) Why be shocked, then, when Yann Richard, researcher at the French Institute for International Relations (IFRI), considered a major specialist on Islam and author of Shi’ism and Islam, states that: “This group could probably be compared to the IRA or the PKK in its methods. These are rabid people who, should they actually come to power, would be worse than the present regime. They are bloody and violent madmen”? (162) ---------------------------------------------------------------- 149.- “Operation Eternal Light” — Press Relese on www.iran-eazad.org — 30 July 2002 150.- “Iran, les moudjahidin du peuple fous de Dieu et de Marx” — by Christian Hoche avec Safa Haeri — Marianne, 30 June to 6 July 2003 151.- US State Department, op. cit. 152.- “Un mouvernent fragilisé par Ia chute de Saddam Hossein” — by Jean-Pierre Perrin — Liberation, 18 June 2003 153.- “Au Akbar Rastgou: “Les Etats jouent du MKO pour faire pression sur l’lran” — Interview by Antoine Gessler, Le Nouvelliste, 14 April 1999 154.- IsmaII Zayer, op. cit. 155.- US State Department, op. cit. 156.- Brasiers, by Michel 1-lonorin — France 2 TV, 1994. 157.- M. Hossein Abedini, letter to Le Nouvelliste, 28 feburary 2002 158.- Rapporté by Haqqeh Mani, ancien militant dii MKO interrogé by Imail Zayer, Courrier international, 21-27 october 1999 159.- State Department, op. cit. 160.- Courrier international, 2 1-27 october 1999 161.- Jean-Pierre Perrin, op. cit. 162.- “Les mercenaires de Saddarn Hussein” — by Patrick Klein and Michaëlle Gagnet, > — ARTE, Franco-German TV, 28 January 2003
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83. "RE: Autopsy of An Ideological Drift (18)"
Posted by FOSI on 16-Jun-05, 10:28 PM (GMT)
some people are also OBSESSED with the mko for some reason.They seem to be a non-issue in reference to the future of a more democratic and free Iran.The people of Iran should be the main issue and how to improve basic human rights and civil liberties.
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84. "MKO and Human Smuggling(Iranians)"
Posted by Amir Baluchi on 17-Jun-05, 11:11 AM (GMT)
MEK and Human Smuggling- Witness No. 30 Habilian.com I am Amir Baluchi, from the city of Iranshahr. I left Iran illegally in 2000 and went to the UAE. I worked there for a short time and I was introduced to a member of MKO by one of my friends. That member told me that he would take me to Iraq and had to stay there for 6 months to pass a process and after that I could go to Europe to find a job. But when we went to Iraq, we found that it was all lie. There, in Iraq, I didn’t accept their methods and I announced that I wanted to return. But they didn’t let me go. They offered conditions: “If you want to go you should remain in Exit section for 2 years and then we would give you to the Iraqi Estekhbarat (former Iraqi security service) and you should stay in prison for 8 years. Then you can return to Iran.” Until a year and seven months ago, I was with Mojahedin; not by my will, but by force. My escape efforts failed until the US invaded Iraq and Iraqi government was overthrown and we could save ourselves. We took shelter by the American side. We stayed at the US camp for about a year and six months. It was not bad there with Americans. They had promised to send us to Europe but we thought that returning to Iran is better because our parents are here. Now that we have returned, we see that the claims of some people who said that we would be killed if we return was completely wrong. When entering Iran, intelligence agents of Iran received us very warmly. Islamic republic has issued pardon for us. We are going to have our normal lives. >some people are also OBSESSED with >the mko for some reason.They >seem to be a non-issue >in reference to the future >of a more democratic and >free Iran.The people of Iran >should be the main issue >and how to improve basic >human rights and civil liberties. >
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85. "MKO Bribes Iraqi Newspapers"
Posted by MKO Bribes Iraqi Newspapers on 17-Jun-05, 11:12 AM (GMT)
MKO Bribes Iraqi Newspapers Mehr News Deputy of Iraqi Journalists Association said that Mojahedin-e Khalq has bribed some Iraqi newspapers to advertise against Iran. Hussein Abdulaziz said that the purpose of this move by MKO is to publish divisive materials and prevent the normalization of Iraq-Iran relations. According to Mehr News, Hussein Abdulaziz said in an interview with Al-Alam News Network: “this group is not able to wage a military war against Iran, so it tries to galvanize Iran-Iraq ties. Such moves come at a time when the two countries are trying to heal the old wounds.” “A number of Iraqi newspapers receive money from this group under the name of advertisement but instead, they publish divisive articles to disrupt the Iraq-Iran relations. They also try to accuse Iran of supporting terrorism in Iraq. Mojahedin-e Khalq is always trying to destabilize two countries’ ties.” On the position of some Iraqi politicians as well as occupying forces who back the existence of this group in Iraq-despite it’s been listed by State Department as a terrorist entity- Abdulaziz said: “The US can’t bother Islamic Republic so it should use this group as a leverage.” “Occupying forces don’t benefit from erasing terrorism in Iraq since they won’t have justification for their presence in the country. If there’s no unrest, their presence won’t be justified.” Abdulaziz added: “since the fall of Iraqi regime, terrorism has got its roots in the country and is backed by some elements who lost their advantages as Saddam was overthrown and includes these elements taking revenge on others.” “Iraqi government can’t allow its soil to be the used for enmity against its neighbors since Iraqi people are not hostile with their neighbors.”
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86. "ISLAMIC GOVERMENT OF IRAN WILL AND MUST FALL NOW."
Posted by DARIUSHAGHA on 27-Oct-05, 09:55 AM (GMT)
MKO AND ISLAMIC GOVERMENT ARE THE SAME..BOTH ARE WORKING FOR BRITISH GOVERMENT... PEOPLE MUST THROW THSES ISLAMIC GOVERMENT TO THE TRASH CANS OF HISTORY.
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